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[rizwank]

Macroquest is NOT, repeat, NOT a cheat program, no matter what http://www.mobhunter.com/article.jsp?ar ... =625208779 reports.

Macroquest makes no assumption upon the legal use of MQ in Everquest or whether it binds to the EULA or not. People were using Macroquest in a unauthorized way, to automate tradeskills for profit. The fault lies with verant for leaving these bugs in the game; not with Macroquest for automating tradeskills for handicapped users or people that dont feel like clicking constantly.

"Trade skills are no damn fun, and people should have to suffer through them equally."
Each to their own.

MQ can also be used as a game aid for checking spawns and whatnot. Whether you think this is right or not, please don't presume to judge.

If you have questions about Macroquest, feel free to post them on the boards or priviate message me on these boards; ill be glad to answer your questions.

Thank you
Rizwank

[L124RD]

Salutations,
as the old quote goes

Guns don't kill people, I do

or if you're in the simpsons

I don't kill people, guns do

[Java]

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[tuxracer]

Salutations,
as the old quote goes

Guns don't kill people, I do

or if you're in the simpsons

I don't kill people, guns do

Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people

Therefor, unregulated use of nuclear weapons is okay.

I do see the author's point, though I think he rushed to judgement.

I honestly don't see why you guys are acting so disgusted or surprised about the whole situation. I also don't see why anyone thinks that the article matters much either way.

[Java]

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[bob slim]

They make the rules and this program by thier rules is bannable,

Now being a old time uoer, i think macro's are just fine, really

Verant, and sony who the hell wants to sit at a key board and press the same key combanation for hours on end ?

Nobody,


But agin i just follow thier rules so i have never done any trade skill in everquest,

Because now days the trade skills dont even matter nobody will buy your say for example jewlry.

Everyone on my serve has better mob drops, level 4's running around with Smr's and Glowing black stones,

Who the hell cares about a +2 int ring ?


So overview,

You want me to waste countless hours and large sum of Plat to gain,
Basically nothing,

No thankyou,

The trade skills are even more boring then playing the game,

For example, i have camped an npc for 2 weeks when i log on 2-5 hours a day,

30 min spawn timer,

In 2 weeks he has yet to drop his rare,

That is boring as hell, what happend to everquest being an exciting game, one of fun and such,

It more as of lately puts me to sleep and
o god trade skills i think i would have to let off a 12 gauge shot gun in my face,

Before i waste the time doing a trade skill in your game,

[Oldnworeout]

I went looking for info on how to make a program to use my key board to auto twist songs when after many levels on my bard my arms would ach after a little while of twisting in a group.

Now my opitions were
1>Quit my bard
2>refuse to twist songs and only play one.
3>keep going and get Corpal tunnel.
4>Look for a program or make one that would help me twist with out damage to my arms.

I found this program to be very usefull to help me play a char with out pain.
IMHO EQ should have a system to auto trade skills and twisting bard songs.

Now some have told me that twisting is a type of explot.
If this is true then why is there a song that Amps all your other singing songs.
Only way to make it usefull is to twist it in.

Now for trade skills I have a trade char very high in smithing,tailoring,baking,jewlery,brewing.

Now i did these way before I knew of any Macro program.
None of these ever made money selling to vender not even a little.
If one would they nurfed it fast.Remember when they added toolboxes and fish rolls.

So if people are using this to make money off trade skills its only because VI screwed up and left some items to make a little money.
Simply make it a loss for every item and problem solved.

This program is not a Cheat.It just lets you make macros that can save your arms and help disabled people that normaly couldnt play have a good time.
If theres a way to make money its because EQ messed up and left in a few items that sell for more than cost to make.

Ive always had a probelm with EQ saying and baning people for using known explots instead of fixing them.
EQ shouldnt be so dam lazy and just fix those areas.
Ive always belived if somethings in the game its no explot.

If its not what you want people to use it in the way they do then fix the probelm!

I guess EQ instead they would rather have a law sute from people that get Corpal Tunnel from playing there game.

[Kamar_MithMarr]

I am one of the people that followed the link from Mobhunter.

I also play Asherons Call. I use macros there. I do not have a problem with macros.

I did not realize they were possible in EQ. I am going to have to explore the MacroQuest site more to find out things and options.

I do have one comment / opinion though. Saying that macros are for the disabled / handicaped / carpo-tunel people only is the biggest line of bull that I have ever seen. Get off the disability kick. I am sick of it.

MacroQuest may have been made for those purposes, but I would bet my bottom dollar that the actuall number of users that are disabled is less than 15%.

Well, now I am going to go explore the site, and see if there is any use for me.

Be safe all.

[Java]

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[Plazmic]

I am not the active board moderator ;)

MQ was written as a learning toy... see what I could do...
MQ got into tradeskills since ALL of my characters up to that point were Enchanters and I loved JCing and baking, but after getting 3+ chars up to 200+ skill in multiple tradeskills.... My current char has every tradeskill available to him (no alch or poison) over 150, done by hand with the exception of tailoring (which I paid around 20k in the bazaar for silks and couldn't stand making Wu's by hand)

"Trade skills are no damn fun, and people should have to suffer through them equally."

Been there, done that plenty of times...

[tuxracer]

I do have one comment / opinion though. Saying that macros are for the disabled / handicaped / carpo-tunel people only is the biggest line of bull that I have ever seen. Get off the disability kick. I am sick of it.

MacroQuest may have been made for those purposes, but I would bet my bottom dollar that the actuall number of users that are disabled is less than 15%.

lol, I agree. I don't see why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over this.

Does anyone actually believe that line? Regardless of what some people might say, I doubt anyone does, and don't fool yourselfs, either does Verant. Even if it were the true intent of the program Verant could probably care less. It breaks the rules, they have every right to ban people over it. It says clearly in the EULA, "You may not use any third party software to modify the Software to change Game play." and that is worded in such a way that Verant is free to apply it to pretty much any third party program, including MacroQuest. There is no sense in arguing about its meaning either, as Verant is the one who chooses whether or not your acconut is active or not, regardless of how idealistic you are in terms of interpriting that.

And you have every right to contiue taking the (generally) small risk and use MacroQuest anyways. But don't act so damned surprised when people start calling MacroQuest for what it is, hell I don't even see why anyone cares.

Using MacroQuest is cheating. You are able to see the levels of creatures, anon people, you are able to automate trade skills, etc... Tradeskills are boring and repeditive, but that is why you get money for doing them. They are designed to be kind of boring, but they are designed with the tradeoff of making some plat for going through all of that boring work. If you feel you will become injured or already are injured, then you are shit outta' luck. Either way you are removing this tradeoff of being bored to get money, and turning it into: Get money for doing nothing, other then providing a macro and some supplies.

That doesn't necessarily mean I think that MacroQuest is "wrong", because unless certain types of macros are used by a great amount of people, other players aren't really hurt by it (well maybe their ego).

Don't fool yourselfs into thinking that MacroQuest is some legit program, because it isn't, and don't let yourself think that you are fooling *anyone* by stating otherwise.

Knowing full well what it is, and it's intent is, why do you guys get so angry when people call it for what it is? Kind of silly imho.

[L124RD]

Salutations,
Once you believe something you can see it. You can only see what your mind deems a possible in this world we live in, full of rules and laws that we must follow. Or break. We look at our world and can say 'it will take 30min to finish that english paper' and know that it will take that long unless we start talking to people via IM, then it will take longer. And then while writing it, extrapolating on the beliefs that Shakespear suttly points out in Hamlet that it would be cool if we had something to do this for us, but know it will never happen, but believe technology might advance as far as to let us use it some day, and therefor we believe it exists, just not in this small instant of time. And then, a few days later you stumble apon your friend, whom has built a machine which you write sixteen fifteen-page long essays regarding different subjects for and give them to it and it will take down your writing style and write the paper on any subject. Yet, while this might be 'un-believable' you believed in it earlier, you thought about it. And as the old quote goes "Nothing is impossible to the man who doesn't have to do it himself, to the man is does, it will just take three lifetimes"

[tuxracer]

Salutations,
Once you believe something you can see it. You can only see what your mind deems a possible in this world we live in, full of rules and laws that we must follow. Or break. We look at our world and can say 'it will take 30min to finish that english paper' and know that it will take that long unless we start talking to people via IM, then it will take longer. And then while writing it, extrapolating on the beliefs that Shakespear suttly points out in Hamlet that it would be cool if we had something to do this for us, but know it will never happen, but believe technology might advance as far as to let us use it some day, and therefor we believe it exists, just not in this small instant of time. And then, a few days later you stumble apon your friend, whom has built a machine which you write sixteen fifteen-page long essays regarding different subjects for and give them to it and it will take down your writing style and write the paper on any subject. Yet, while this might be 'un-believable' you believed in it earlier, you thought about it. And as the old quote goes "Nothing is impossible to the man who doesn't have to do it himself, to the man is does, it will just take three lifetimes"

heh, way to post something pretty irrelivant to the thread.

[DarkSoulX]

I can't help but laugh (methodically) at all these people who complain about MQ...it is cheating...it gives you an unfair advantage...

Well, let us reflect on the stone age...

Early man lacked the cognitive power to produce even the simplest of mechanisms, then somewhere along the line, whether by accident or twist of fate, mankind discovered the use of tools to increase productivity and efficiency...

Thus began the reign of man...this is what seperated us from the other species...some may even say...it gave us an *unfair* advantage over all the other creatures...

I am a business man...and as such I have come to value the power of the advantage...it is human nature, and even our right to use *ANY* and all advantages to benefit ourselves...

I direct this to all you whiners...

Who cares if it is an unfair advantage, who cares if some people use it for more than what it was intended to be used for, and when it comes right down to it who cares about any of you..? If all you are good for is to sit back and point the finger at everyone, saying BAD! BAD! like a quivering school boy who just pissed his pants, then begone!

Life is war...and war is life, if I am going to be at the frontlines, taking heat from all sides then I sure as hell don't want any sniveling wretches at my side...I coin an expression that most of us have heard: if you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the fire...or something to that effect...

If you are going to stand there and say that MQ is cheating and that people using it deserve to be banned because they are breaking the rules, then you are ignorant to the laws of nature...and the laws of nature far outweigh any person, group, or corporation (yes, even the almighty VI/Sony.) It is this law that governs all other laws, this law that seperates the Tyranosaurus Rex from the Compsognathus. Do you think that the first Neanderthal to discover that a sharp stone made it easier to kill things, was riddled with guilt and anxiety over the unfair advantage he now had..?

If using your knowledge and skill to give you an *unfair* advantage over the *sheep* of the world is a crime, then it is one that I will happily claim guilty as charged. As for all of you other people who whine because you lack what others do not, well, the way of the dodo with you all!