Figured MQ Devs would find this interesting ...

Choakster · Post by **Choakster** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:27 pm

As im sure youve all prolly seen it but its a thread from SOEs boards ..
Beware people are heavily running their mouths and I do not wanna see a god thing screwed ..
Heres the complete thread ..

http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/ever ... 54089.html

In it youll find such posts as

MadMontaigne
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Well let's hope that SOE will react and confirm that this player was banned and that the Players that he gave the Macroed-pp too.
If not it simply means that all the Jerk will rush at Macroquest site.

Well i will take more care about weird Tradeskillers now.

I don't want to be unable to buy a stonewood because macroer will provoque inflation.

I don't care if macroers level afk, but i care if a macroer is pulling all the Velk spiders, I don't care if macroer are raising trade skills
but people who worked on tradeskills (i just worked on pottery for gate potions) may dislike it:
Assume that you spend time being a 250 taylor and this allow you to make profit; if 200 macroers get 250 tayloring afk the extra value of your character is gone.

I assume that SOE official scan this board, and offical reaction is urgent, silence mean "
Macroers you welcome we don't react". I would even say that no reaction is almost an incitation.

And this one wich directly quoted posts on another board wich i will not Directly link and the guy posted it up on SOES board but didnt bother to hide the peoples Usernames

Ianian-TM
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Laughing at us? Lol.. This quote is from an "eq underground" board which I will not directly link to for obvious reasons..

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Lvl 1 Half Elf enchanter. Please stand up., why the hell would u macro in pok
vbpunx0r Posted: Dec 5 2003, 07:15 AM

http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/ever ... 54089.html

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gnome001 Posted: Dec 5 2003, 08:33 AM

/agree.... stupid stupid stupid..

people like this give all of us who use mq a bad name..

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SlimJim Posted: Dec 5 2003, 10:49 AM

wow... whoever it is is a freakin idiot

Now I did not black out the usernames for the sould reason that they are already on the guys post .. Jsut thought people would want to know .. Careful who you trust out there and beware of what and where you mac at ...

eq_freak · Post by **eq_freak** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:44 pm

I dont see whats so terribly interesting about that. If you macro in heavily populated areas and even use warping hacks, you WILL get noticed and possibly petitioned. Wether or not there are any GMs online to bust you, is of course up to random chance. So you are playing with your account by being that obvious to spot.

As for quoting usernames, what does that matter? Nobody would be so stupid to use the same username on MQ and FH boards as they use on SoE boards.. right? :p

Choakster · Post by **Choakster** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 9:18 pm

Umm, are you a dev =D.

LOL kidding actually the point is that people are suppose to be able to trust each other here. Its more less of a wake-up to people are senseless about .m4c . And on the same a wake-up for people who are trusting of others to quickly. Personally if my name or username reguardless if it were or were not my station name etc was involved in a post like that on SOEs boards Id be a lil pissed . And on the same I think its tardish that the guy states "macroquest" on thepost as well, I mean im sure they know about it but theres people out there who dont and now they know where to start lookin. Next thing ya know every n00b on the face of norrath will be here and on F-H looking for answeres lol. Oh well some may not be concerned about it but i am .. And I know Im not alone as Ive recieved PMs from others who are as well .

gnome001 · Post by **gnome001** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 9:22 pm

i'm not happy he quoted me without my permission.. but shrug.. its a risk i take when i post on a public board... and no.. this name isn't my station name..

and well.. we've already seen a large increase in stupid questions lately.. doubt we'll see much more of an influx... i just wish the idiots would take the time to sit and read the a;ldskf boards and LOOK for other posts about what to do.. and if they don't understand what is there, they shouldn't be using mq.. it is simple enough.. hell i hadn't touched a compiler in oh.. 8 years (and all i used then was pascal) and i picked it up easily enough.. once i got off my lazy ass and actually got a copy of vc++ 6.0..

zirnek · Post by **zirnek** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 9:43 pm

Personally, i think you shouldnt even mention a whisper of MQ ANYWHERE. why? "what is mq he talks about", then it goes on, and snowballs till it hits mainstream, you shouldnt talk about it--anywhere aside from here imo.

Fatal · Post by **Fatal** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:07 pm

You might really be interested in this guy and the stuff he's doing. of ocurse, you might not really care at all.

http://www.team-maia.com/hateowned/

nightgod · Post by **nightgod** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:15 pm

The stuff that guy is doing is FH type stuff, not MQ.

NotSoCSharp · Post by **NotSoCSharp** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:21 pm

The stuff that guy is doing is FH type stuff, not MQ.

True but there are MQ/MQ2 mods and plugins that allow some of this stuff so it is MQ related.

Rassilon · Post by **Rassilon** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:45 am

The stuff that guy is doing is FH type stuff, not MQ.

FH?

Thanks

Stogar · Post by **Stogar** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:32 am

FH stuff?

Yeah they do offset trainers, but the good stuff is done using modified versions of MQ. The difference is that on the FH boards there are more leaks about what these things are.

There's also a huge amount of script kiddies there, while here it's a bit better.

My impression here is that alot of effort is put into making sure the people using MQ are people who won't abuse it.

FH, well basically anything goes. They try to do things by adding access levels, but there are so many leaks. On top of that they allow there users to post precompiled trainers on their board.

This whole thing has just blown up from one main problem: The ease in which someone can obtain and abuse these tools.

I think the pre compiled and modded MQ, trainers and other precompiled helpers have caused this issue.

MQ2Auth is great but should go one step further IMO. Take away the ability to compile it for others. Basically compile on the machine you run it. Yes a huge pain in the ass, but I think it's been proven at least a couple times that mainstreaming these apps is bad news.

FH has good info sometimes, but they make it too easy to just download and hack for the masses.

some-eq-player · Post by **some-eq-player** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:50 pm

The sadest thing is all the newbies who pick this up and get caught with it, sadder still all the MORON's who pick it up and not only get caught but ruin it for others , but its bad enough for those who do it and dont get caught sometimes, they are the ons you see using forges for 12 hours straight and get others pissed off.

please please, if your gonna macro tradeskilling at a forge or something, put some code in case someone walks near the forge your using .. make yourself step aside a minute and go afk for a bathroom break or something till they leave. simple as that. IMO =P if you dont wanna get caught (mostly because of annoyed people ) make yourself look a little more natural. just use your head when making macro's .. its worth the extra time .. trust me.

.... which gives me a fun project idea ... anyone ever talked to those chat bots in AOL ? lol i wonder what i can do with eq =P

all in all .. i think MORON's who hog up POK forges for 12 hours should get banend for being stupid ... newbies who dont know how to code shouldnt mess with this stuff, and those us us who do should take better precaution, remember sometimes its not what you do that gets you caught .. its what you dont. macroing may not be the best thing for the economy, but lets face it, everyone wants a little extra plat without charging your fingers pain to do it. and if sony wont implement auto tradeskilling, we will.

i bet this will get posted somewhere ... so while im at it .. IF SONY READS THIS.. INVENT AUTO TRADESKILLING.. my opinion is it should be like , 1) have materials 2) click auto tradeskills button 3) set what/amount to combine 4) watch the tradeskill bar go up , 5) some time later , all have been made .. works the same without the need to macro and break the EULA. so invent it!

i think ive spoken my mind =P

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forgot to mention .. i read somewhere about teleporting while macroing ... those MORONS should get banned ... thats just wrong. i understand cheating .. a little boost helps from time to time when your stuck .. but .. thats overkill.

Mckorr · Post by **Mckorr** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:03 pm

They won't do it. Tradeskills were never meant to be mainstream, they were added just so every character wouldn't look alike. It was the level of interest in them that caused the expansion of recipes and what not.

When the player base demonstrated such a high interest in tradeskills they should have rewritten the entire system, since sooner or later someone was bound to get sick of clicking the same things over and over.

BTW, "auto tradeskills" have been done in more ways than just MQ. I've seen pictures of actual robot hands, built out of either erector sets or those robot leggo things, that hit the same key patterns over and over, physically typing all that stuff for the player. There are also programmable keyboards, gamepads, etc. that could be made to do it. Changing EQ to stop MQ isn't gonna stop auto skills, it's just gonna make people get more inventive. Next thing ya know someone will be selling an EQ robot kit, or some script that manipulates the keyboard instead of EQ directly... you get the idea.

I figure we'll have to wait for EQ2 to see if there have been any fixes to the whole system... but I'm betting EQ2 is gonna use the same basic systems as SWG. No idea what tradeskills are like there.

some-eq-player · Post by **some-eq-player** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:20 pm

well if were gonna have to be more inventive, make smarter macro's ... mod rods screw a lot of people up , so counter it =P deposit your hands after certain checkpoints =P etc etc. good luck fellow programmer's .. especialy the ones who actualy work hard making macro's to get tradeskills up while you shower/eat/sleep and livea semi normal life.

...i wonder what they changed on the servers. and what the next possible PP skill will be...

if they took the time to do it ... they can re-write tradeskill system .. they are just lazy.

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forgot to mention ... where did you see those pictures ... sounds really REALLY interesting lol .. someone must be board out of their minds to make that.

Mckorr · Post by **Mckorr** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:37 pm

Not lazy, understaffed. I was a Guide when SWG went pre-beta and beta. A lot of GM's and programmers "vanished" at that time. My personal theory is they pulled them off of EQ for SWG. EQ had already been around for years, and I'm sure they were expecting it to die off when SWG, and eventually EQ2 came out.

So they're short on people, which means no improvements for game "sidelines" instead of work on new content to keep EQ alive till EQ2 comes out. Especially since they don't know if they're "new" system (SWG) is gonna work or not.

Figure it like this. Take the economics lessons learned from EQ, and apply that to SWG. Take the lessons learned there and apply to EQ2. Figure EQ2 will draw enough folks from EQ that they can minimize support for it... I'd guess about a year after EQ2 comes out so that they have some time to see if that game is gonna fly.

some-eq-player · Post by **some-eq-player** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:40 pm

Very good point. though i figured with all the monthly money they made from all the subscribers they could do better and have more peeps.. is maintaining servers THAT expensive ?