Why you're not hired Lax

weapon · Post by **weapon** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:57 am

I work for a telecom company doing software design support. We have a few reqs open and guess what we are hiring. Straight out of college absolutely clueless new grads. These guys couldn't even telnet to a box which was one of the things we asked them todo. CS degrees too which I dont understand can you get CS degree without ever telnetting? So we ask them questions like what kind of animal would you be and if you saw a co worker using a cracked text editor what would you do... Anyways we are hurting for people, experienced people but my manager doesnt want experienced older "tainted" if you would employees. He wants these excited highly motivated tards right out of college that will take all the shit work and not even know they are taking the shit work. Best part is the guys that have been here awhile dont have todo the shit work. And they will do it for cheap too! So thats where we are at right now just something to think about cant blame yourself for not getting a job in this industry.

eq_freak · Post by **eq_freak** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:08 am

Mmm, I sense a tad bitterness in this post

But anyway, if they cant even telnet that sounds bad.. mail-order CS degrees? But hey, if they are assigned to braindead tasks which noone else will do, then whats the problem? Didnt sound like you wanted their duties.

weapon · Post by **weapon** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:12 am

Damn right I dont want whats coming to them. Just giving lax some insight to the question "why". I have a lot of friends layed off from 2001-2002 just now getting back into the industry for half their previous salary.

Mckorr · Post by **Mckorr** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:52 am

Did I mention I just retired from the Army weapon? :)

Not that you'd hire me, I'm a terrible programmer :) I'm a... well, believe it or not, I'm a counterterrorist. Extensive training in demolitions, improvised explosive devices, security systems, intelligence analysis, etc.

Ah well, it was fun while it lasted. I'm heading back to school in the fall, finally gonna get that degree I've been putting off for almost 20 years :)

chickenisgoot · Post by **chickenisgoot** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:06 am

So if we upset you, or any other developer, you will blow up our house?

Can you please delete my posts I made earlier today?

Mckorr · Post by **Mckorr** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:21 am

I'm not deleting any posts. You earn your reputation here, you have to live with it.

chickenisgoot · Post by **chickenisgoot** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:28 am

I just don't want some 50 year old disgruntled former army guy blowing up my house.

Mckorr · Post by **Mckorr** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:34 am

I'm only 39.

javelinl · Post by **javelinl** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:37 am

Where are you looking a job?

I work in Manhattan, and Wall Street is always begging for more programmers. I'm assuming you can at least navigate Unix (which is a requirement for working on the program trading desks).

Lane · Post by **Lane** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:11 am

Based on the required qualifications where Weapon works, I'm thinking it's Microsoft. Shit work, from people that don't know what theyare doing. Yep, that's it.

-Lane

magictiger · Post by **magictiger** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:50 pm

It's horrible, really.
I'm a (currently unemployed) PC tech. I've been a PC tech since I was 9 working in my dad's shop. I came in second place at a national PC skills competition (not bad for a boy from Arkansas) in high school, so the school paid for my A+, and I outscored my teachers from both high school and college. In college, I took a 4-semester Cisco course that was designed to prepare you for the CCNA. Out of over 200 students, 5 passed the test. Again, I outscored my teachers.

And a shop would rather hire some papertech who was pushed through his A+ by Staffmark and has no experience at all. An ISP hired some uncertified moron over me.

It's not what you know, it's who you know...

Lane · Post by **Lane** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 2:42 pm

It's not what you know, it's who you know...

Get used to this. Oustide of the military I have got jobs based on who I knew. I was fully qualified, but it was the people I knew that got me in the door.

I have a great job now, but I know if I lost my job I could make a few calls and be working on Monday with help from a friend.

-Lane

robdawg · Post by **robdawg** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 5:09 pm

usually is how much bullshit can you sling in the interview to get your the job...

AND THEN

how well you can actually proform based on the bullshit spewed in the interview.

I found that flat out lying in interviews will get you jobs since lots of places dont do background checks. Of course once you get there, you need to know what your doing.

ImaNoob · Post by **ImaNoob** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:10 am

When the bottom fell out of the tech market a few years ago, I decided to go back to college while to "diversify", while trying to build a reputation for my little home grown shop I started.

I hired a kid to help with some of the workload, who on the surface at least seemed to actually know how to code. Even if it was amaturistic, I at least asked him for a disk of code samples.

One day, I assigned him some shit task that I really didn't want to do, by having him design the UI around an excel database, for a client who wanted a slicker interface than what they already had.

What I got back in a couple of days looked like complete crap, even though it was written entirely in VB. (There is NO excuse to have a bad UI when writting a VB app)

To top it off the dam thing barely functioned.

So I sat him down and asked him to show me the process he went through to get the piece of shit UI he handed me...

Come to find out, that he had NO idea what a software development lifecycle was, nor even where to begin.

Instead of showing me a bunch of papers with drawings, or at least a .bmp paint file of revisions of the ui. He did a google search on "excel GUI" and showed me a "Learn to program in VB in 24 hours" website, where he had STOLEN the dam code!

Suffice it to say, I took him on another google search "Job Find Wyoming"

Lax · Post by **Lax** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:21 am

Why you're not hired Lax

Why you're not hired Lax

Just curious,

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Thank god for google