Responsible Macroing....

MoonRaverX · Post by **MoonRaverX** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 5:02 pm

A few tips for macro users. Common sense written down.

1) Do NOT afk macro. You're asking for trouble, and not there to take care of it if it comes your way.

2) Do NOT run tradeskill macros in group.

3) Do NOT run tradeskill macros to up your skill past 200. Come on, a few of us got the 1750 club without macros, you should at least taste what you skipped over.

4) DO NOT RUN PP MACROS. Forget tradeskill pp macros now, as of the patch message, and a few cheaters I know testing, they dont work anymore. PP macros are lame.

5) If you HAVE to run a farming macro, do it in an uncontested zone in a little known spot. You wont steal from peope trying to do things the "correct" way.

6) Do NOT use TURBO. Unless you remember to use at minimum a /delay 0 in each function.

7) Do macro at human speed, it's a LOT less noticable, and Guides/GMs are prone to overlook it even if they realize you are macroing, if it's at human speed and they know you are not AFK. It creates reasonable doubt so they can't touch you.

8) If you MUST run farming macros, write a function where before you engage, you /assisst the mob, and if it has a target, do NOT touch it. Simple way to avoid kill stealing.

9) Add /if $gm == "TRUE" /unload somewhere in all macros.

10) Play nice, and read the rules. Abide by the play nice policy and follow common sense. If you lack it, ask someone with friends if they think you should be doing what you are doing. If you don't piss people off, they don't /report and or /petition you, so GM's and Guides are a LOT less likely to look your way. Being nice keeps you blending in the crowd.

Every rule ever made has been bent, twisted, and broken. These aren't rules, but helpful advice for the script kiddies that come here, figure out how to compile based on the step by step guides, then copy macros from the depot, and get caught in 5 minutes. It might also been benefical for the guy that thinks he has a head full of common sense yet is missing it. Feel free to add comments/suggestions.

[Edit: Whoops, forgot to disable smileys. 8) wanted to look all cool.]

Indent · Post by **Indent** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 5:20 pm

9) Add /if $gm == "TRUE" /unload somewhere in all macros.

I would advise against that, it gives a false sense of security, and only works when the GMs or Guides actually have that flag on. They don't need to have that flag set to bust you. Much better to leave that out and rely on the common sense you preached in the other points.

I mean, its handy, but it certainly will NOT keep you from doing something dumb in front of the wrong person.

Saint d'Ville · Post by **Saint d'Ville** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:43 am

Hi, welcome to the MACRO QUEST FORUMS

This recent string of postings on how to ethically macro have been making me want to pull a Jay and Silent Bob, and come thwomp all you retards at your houses.

MacroQuest violates all of the agreements you clicked through when logging into your account. You know that contract you have with SoE, you pay them money, you play their game? There is no moral high ground, on how to break a contract. Don't pretend that you are 'doing the right thing', if you were so concerned with how cheating harms the game, you wouldn't be using macroquest.

So shut up hypocrite, your shouts are being drowned out by all the apathy.

Dniper · Post by **Dniper** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:55 am

I disagree Saint d'Ville. Read the devs' posts and you will see there is a clear line as to what is not allowed to be discussed here and things that not many will condone. For this reason it isn't a black and white situation. A, you're a cheater or you're not a cheater, type thing. That's just my take on it.

Anyway, all he's doing is throwing out some info to help people to not get caught. The "shut up hypocrite" really isn't needed. He isn't preaching rules, just offering some advice for new users and what not to do if they value their account.

Lane · Post by **Lane** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:56 am

Go away Saint d'Ville. We are all quite aware of what we are doing, and don't give a damn what you think or have to say.

-Lane

dont_know_at_all · Post by **dont_know_at_all** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:06 am

Saint d'Ville wrote:Don't pretend that you are 'doing the right thing', if you were so concerned with how cheating harms the game, you wouldn't be using macroquest.

I don't give a fuck if you think you are doing the "right thing". I only care if you bring unwanted attention to our little world here. It's hard enough to keep MQ up without SoE going after us.

You don't see any of the devs busting their asses to get it fixed, now, do you?

Stogar · Post by **Stogar** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:58 am

Good ideas. And it's not addressing cheating being good or bad, You missed the point in your haste to sound intelligent Saint.

I'd just add:

11.) Modify any downloaded macro's messages to either be nothing or something that you'd actually say in group.

An example, I've been in 3 pickup groups (ie, you don't really know your groupmates) in the last week - 10days that have had a cleric /gsaying lines verbatum from genbot. If you have to cut and paste into and editor, take 2 more minutes to make custom messages.

voiddweller · Post by **voiddweller** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:02 pm

lol! I bet even some of you morons probably havent even thought about the fact that they read/scan these forums for things they need to re-patch =P

Keta · Post by **Keta** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 3:36 pm

I don't think anything that was stated would generallybe effected by a repatch.. Please clarify on your meaning sir or troll somewhere else.

Dniper · Post by **Dniper** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:33 pm

voiddweller wrote:lol! I bet even some of you morons probably havent even thought about the fact that they read/scan these forums for things they need to re-patch =P

Uhh.. that statement makes no sense in this thread.

MoonRaverX · Post by **MoonRaverX** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:52 pm

Sigh. I know the GM check isn't 100% proof positive, however it sometimes catches things you might miss. That's one of my tips towards 'tards like Saint, that refuse to macro intelligently (assuming they perform as their post implies.) As per the others, yes I cheat, everyone that uses MQ cheats. Wow, everyone cheats sometimes. Some more than others. Keep in mind, the more you do, and the more others do (figure if you are then someone else is starting too as well) that the more people complain, and when enough people complain, SoE knows that most paying customers DONT use Macroquest, and if they feel Macroquest is causing them to lose enough paying customers, they will find a way to stop it. I have worked game dev, and much like you cheat the system to let you get ahead, they can cheat the system and look at exactly what you are running so they can bust you. They have the $$ behind them in a lawsuit too. 400,000 registered players at 10 a month (figure in deals, nonpaying customers, etc) and they have a nice $4Million a month to go after cheat devs for illegally disassembling a product, and invalid use of copyrighted matieral. They can cheat and snoop, just as you cheat the game.

Just cheat responsibly, cheat with caution, and for the good spirits' sakes, dont cheat blatantly in front of someone with a green name.

MoonRaverX · Post by **MoonRaverX** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:57 pm

Addendum, as a heads up to the MQ devs, the guide boards blame MQ for people warping from zone to zone at level 1 (like a druid porting instaly from Qeynos to NFP), warping from vendor to vendor in a zone, run speed cheats, basically everything forever-hacking does. I dont know how I know, just that I know.

Smitty · Post by **Smitty** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:01 pm

Funny I read the guide boards rather frequently. And I have never seen anything about MQ on there. but then again I might have missed something.

This shows as my first post but I have changed my user name because the last one well just wasnt right.

(and yes I know the people who know how to can track down my IP and compare it to others to see who I was but not too worried about it)

on a side note since this is my first patch that has made MQ not work for me ( not been in here that long) about how long does it take before they post the new download? I can imagine with all the recent patches it must play havok on the devs. But I would like to say thanks to you all for such a great product hehe

Smitty

MoonRaverX · Post by **MoonRaverX** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:19 pm

Snitty, woulda used PM, not sure best way to reach you on this... Check out the Laboratory, and scroll down to the thread "On Exploits, Cheats, Scams & the like". Read through that thread. I went far enough with title of thread, those that know what I am talking, and have the means to read it about can find what I mean, and that I was correct in what I said.

Smitty · Post by **Smitty** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 3:53 pm

ahh Ok dont know why I missed that one.. hehe

thanks.

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