Well since I work in the same building as plaz does I will bring it to his attention that someone is violating the gpl on software he developed and making a profit from it. if he does anything that is up to him as i cannot speak for him. but I find devs tend to take thier code personally. (that is my experience from working with dev's over the last 10 years anyway).Plazmic is the copyright owner, so he is needed. Plazmic is not around anymore. If it was taken to court the verdict would most likely be that the source had to be released.
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I'm sure the average user/developer does not have the time or resources to take you to court. The FSF may, however. After your comments I have half a mind to find out what they think can be done or are willing to do. I think the blatent statement that you are in fact violating the GPL posted in your terms and conditions and your "take me to court" attitude is what pisses me off the most. It's people like you who give open source a bad name.
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lol everguide, nice to meet you. I was browsing the archives at forever-hacking and saw some of your posts (and the -NULL- level access hehe). I have to say that I never really found what you were doing particularly bad, true I only heard bits and pieces from others, but what you were selling was literature, not a program, big difference. I think most would agree that sprite has gone too far. Is he a personal friend of tux? I wonder how tux would respond to something like this, as he seems to be a very level-headed guy.
the funniest thing is
This is the only product on his site...
I post this not out of being completly serious, but just give out an idea.
I believe that here in IL, I could (If i was a developer) sue in small claims court for $1 (in damages) and then by having the judge rule in my favor for that $1 you would have been found to have violated my copy rights and I would be able to request the judge to ORDER you to release the code.
Now here is the fun part...
In IL I can sue and serve a non-resdient of the state and there-by force you to drive/fly all the way out here for the court.
In IL I can sue for damages and finding. I.E. I can sue for $1 AND the order to release your source code.
I am not sure about other states, but this is what I believe to be the law for small claims in IL. (oh, and if you think that the IL court may not have juesdiction over you, if ANY one person bought a copy of your software who lives in IL, then you are out of luck, and I could see my girlfriend buying a copy...)
Jay
P.S. Take this as my opinion and beliefs, not as legal fact, I have been wrong before.
I believe that here in IL, I could (If i was a developer) sue in small claims court for $1 (in damages) and then by having the judge rule in my favor for that $1 you would have been found to have violated my copy rights and I would be able to request the judge to ORDER you to release the code.
Now here is the fun part...
In IL I can sue and serve a non-resdient of the state and there-by force you to drive/fly all the way out here for the court.
In IL I can sue for damages and finding. I.E. I can sue for $1 AND the order to release your source code.
I am not sure about other states, but this is what I believe to be the law for small claims in IL. (oh, and if you think that the IL court may not have juesdiction over you, if ANY one person bought a copy of your software who lives in IL, then you are out of luck, and I could see my girlfriend buying a copy...)
Jay
P.S. Take this as my opinion and beliefs, not as legal fact, I have been wrong before.
Whatever...
I don't even play EQ anymore, i've moved on to shadowbane, but I'll post what i've noticed.
Sprite is talented, there's no question. He/she/it is also a very cocky individual, who has openly stated several times that he/she/it is the only person out there who can do what he/she/it does. Too bad that every time this has been said he/she/it has been proven wrong.
Sprite is O.o at FH, apparently because he's part of the "old crew" who were around during the "crusades." What I do not understand is Sprite's greed---or to state it more fairly, his lack of creativity.
Like I said, Sprite has got some skills. *Why* then, he/she/it does not come up with something original, something *not* produced on the backs of others and release that, I can't say.
When the mem-check first appeared, sprite told us all of the existence of his/her/its counter-code, and then said he was going to sell it. Several of us posted why he just couldn't do that. There are loopholes, for example--selling the source and letting users compile it on their own. He/she/it also went on to say that he/she/it does not live w/i a country where he has to worry about american copyright law. Apparently, if he/she/it is not lying, then he/she/it is somewhere east of the Czech Republic, south of Egypt, or South of Ecuador. It doesn't really matter to me, i'm just restating what has been said before.
*Why* sprite didn't rewrite as a .dll that he could call from the program and have copyright on, I don't know. Why he didn't rename it SpriteQuest or something is simple---he needs the free advertizing evoked by using the word "MacroQuest". Why he didn't take the time to pull the GPL from the file, I don't know. Why he believes that saying "because you click this you can't sue me because I'm breaking copyright law" will protect him, I don't have any idea. Why, like I said before, he couldn't use his talent to make something uniquely original, I don't know.
Forget legality, because as irritated as any of us are, I don't think we're going to sue, and I think he knows that. The sad part is that in this situation, sprite has urinated on the good faith of this community, urinated on the GPL, urinated on the entire open-source community, and openly stolen the work of others. Yes, stolen. It's open-source here, but you can't copy it and stick your own name on it.
It's a sad thing you've done, sprite, and you're a sad little man. I'd love to see Plaz come back and send a CaD letter to your host w/ proof of copyright violation. Unless, of course, it's hosted locally, in which case he can contact the credit-card company with the same information. :)
~malachi
Sprite is talented, there's no question. He/she/it is also a very cocky individual, who has openly stated several times that he/she/it is the only person out there who can do what he/she/it does. Too bad that every time this has been said he/she/it has been proven wrong.
Sprite is O.o at FH, apparently because he's part of the "old crew" who were around during the "crusades." What I do not understand is Sprite's greed---or to state it more fairly, his lack of creativity.
Like I said, Sprite has got some skills. *Why* then, he/she/it does not come up with something original, something *not* produced on the backs of others and release that, I can't say.
When the mem-check first appeared, sprite told us all of the existence of his/her/its counter-code, and then said he was going to sell it. Several of us posted why he just couldn't do that. There are loopholes, for example--selling the source and letting users compile it on their own. He/she/it also went on to say that he/she/it does not live w/i a country where he has to worry about american copyright law. Apparently, if he/she/it is not lying, then he/she/it is somewhere east of the Czech Republic, south of Egypt, or South of Ecuador. It doesn't really matter to me, i'm just restating what has been said before.
*Why* sprite didn't rewrite as a .dll that he could call from the program and have copyright on, I don't know. Why he didn't rename it SpriteQuest or something is simple---he needs the free advertizing evoked by using the word "MacroQuest". Why he didn't take the time to pull the GPL from the file, I don't know. Why he believes that saying "because you click this you can't sue me because I'm breaking copyright law" will protect him, I don't have any idea. Why, like I said before, he couldn't use his talent to make something uniquely original, I don't know.
Forget legality, because as irritated as any of us are, I don't think we're going to sue, and I think he knows that. The sad part is that in this situation, sprite has urinated on the good faith of this community, urinated on the GPL, urinated on the entire open-source community, and openly stolen the work of others. Yes, stolen. It's open-source here, but you can't copy it and stick your own name on it.
It's a sad thing you've done, sprite, and you're a sad little man. I'd love to see Plaz come back and send a CaD letter to your host w/ proof of copyright violation. Unless, of course, it's hosted locally, in which case he can contact the credit-card company with the same information. :)
~malachi
~Oh danny boy, the pipes the pipes are calling.~
I doubt what anyone post here is really going to make sprite shut it down. I doubt anyone will sue him or ever try to find out who he is (RL). He put a lot of working into creating a working version and now he is making some $ of it. Some people play everquest for fun.....some play to profit of those who play it for fun.
That was just an april fools joke played by Tux...it had everyone in an uproard =P But good to see ya plaz, we've all missed you. Too bad it will probly be shortlived lolPlazmic wrote:and about the announcement that the official MQ is going to not be free
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