Royaly Stupid Idea

Curious · Post by **Curious** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:16 am

Reading through the forums here, I've seen quite a few posts from people that it might be fun to group with (all you with high-level bots, for example). This got me to thinking about a kick-ass group/raid with everyone running various macros and clearing out zone after zone :)

Other than RL friends who you trust ... any ideas on how to make this happen safely?

Jaerin · Post by **Jaerin** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:39 am

Yeah do it with people you trust. To be honest the only reason I have seen people banned within the last 6 mos with regards to MQ or offset hacking is Speed and AFK macroing (plat macros).

Everything else seems to go relatively unnoticed as long as you're not going way out of your way to grief someone. Heck they seem even less ban happy than they used to be. They will suspend you for 7-10 days pending a review for banning, but the last few I've seen haven't been banned after that.

I think it's more of a let's let you sweat for a few days and regret what you did and then say that it's okay to come play again.

That's IMHO, and you should know that I'm currently temp suspended pending banning and I still say this...:)

Jaerin

Clone39 · Post by **Clone39** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 10:28 pm

Jaerin wrote:That's IMHO, and you should know that I'm currently temp suspended pending banning and I still say this...:)

Jaerin

you got lucky.. at the beginning of september i got banned only for having MQ loaded. I wasn't even macroing, i was in PoK walking around waiting for a friend to make a transfer when i get a tell from a GM-Admin asking me if it was worth the risk.. i asked what he was talking about and he said to me ( i dont remeber the exact words since i dont have the logs..)

"We have reasons and proof that you are currently using a macroing software. This kind of 3rd party or any 3rd party software are not allowed within the game. I will have to suspend from now on until your case is reviewed before the comitee. We will be sending you via e-mail our decision."

after 2 weeks i never received any e-mails so i wrote to SOE asking what was going. They told me that it was still pending. So i defend my case with the guy and i finally they decided to let me come back since it was my first offense in the game.

Anyway all that to say that it sucks.. i don't know how he got to know i was using MQ because i never macroed while afk or using it "out of line".

So basically.. be carefull with MQ.. Probly the GM-Admin i got was mad at something that day and released the pressure on me.. bah.. part of the game. Just be carefull.. and hope it doesnt happen to you!

chimaera · Post by **chimaera** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 5:49 am

Most likely you had been observed running a macro by someone who petitioned it Clone39. Or you used /target when it should not have worked...anything they can recognize as MQ in game is bad if there is someone observing it.

Kaitain · Post by **Kaitain** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:53 am

TI994a · Post by **TI994a** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:08 am

I wonder if they are more likely to ban someone using a game card...

I seriously doubt the guides and GM's have access to or knowledge of the financial aspects of your account, ie, how the acct is paid for. I wouldn't think they could tell any difference between an acct being paid for via Visa, or Amer Express, or game cards.

- TI

Jon100 · Post by **Jon100** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:25 am

I seriously doubt the guides and GM's have access to or knowledge of the financial aspects of your account, ie, how the acct is paid for. I wouldn't think they could tell any difference between an acct being paid for via Visa, or Amer Express, or game cards.

Actually I think GM admins do have (some of) this access. I know of a recent investigation in which the GMs found an account that had been used to hold items/cash that had been stolen from a friend of mine. (My friend foolishly shared the account information with many people).

Eventually they located the stolen items/cash on an account that contained only one character: a level 1 mule. I know they said that the account had been paid by credit card, but that this credit card hadn't been used to pay for any other accounts (which they could have then used to identify the thief).

The items were returned, but the identify of the thief was never found.

Zxeses · Post by **Zxeses** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 10:35 pm

IE: The theif WAS a GM and they didnt wanna tell you which one...

Credit card companies require a name which matches the code number to submit payment information. SOE had that info. they know the guy.

Jon100 · Post by **Jon100** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 11:41 pm

Erm, saying that it was a GM that stole items from my friend is jumping ahead of the facts a bit far. We actually suspect it was someone in our guild, which is very worrying, tho we dont know whom.

Yes, the GMs had the name of of the credit card used to buy the account that was used to hold the stolen items, but that name didnt corrispond to anyone in (or out of) our guild, and so they couldnt trace and take any action other than ban the account they found.

Really, its not that hard to get a RL friend (who doesnt play eq) to pay for your new account for a month, and pay them back in cash. That way your main character would have no link to the new account.

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..of course it would suck if they banned every account using the same address. I've got 4 accounts (one for everyone in the family) under my name.

Anyway, all i am saying is the GM-admins *do* have access to your billing information. So if you do get banned, its quite possible that they can see all the other accounts you own/have paid for in the past. Whether they ban those accounts is something for them to decide.

Kaitain · Post by **Kaitain** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 2:20 pm

TheColonel · Post by **TheColonel** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:01 am

Hehe... I've chatted with GM's about a few issues while running one of my chant-kite macros... never had a problem, used the chanting macros to get me from 30-something to 63, with 60-something AA's... it's taken just as long as it would have doing it by hand, but atleast I still have hands! Hehe.. I was actually running a regular twisting macro in PoK once and a Apprentice-Guide was chillin' on the Nexus stone, as they do... I'd forgotten I was running it. =) went up and poked him a few times a guildie bard asked how I was typing and twisting, then why I was twisting at all... I said.. mouse right-hand... keyboard left.... Maybe I'm just lucky, this was all in /say =)

Process · Post by **Process** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:42 am

I'm sorry for resurrecting this old thread, but it's the most information I could find on the subject.

I recently was suspended for using Macroquest. My suspension will be up for review to determine whether I'm banned in one week. I'm reading here about people "defending their case". Does anyone have any idea how I could "defend my case" to these people?

I was only using MQ2 to help me experience while at the computer. They nailed multiple accounts of mine (I play multiple characters at once.).

I'm really afraid that I'm going to be banned and lose thousands of hours invested in my characters.

I'm not whining or complaining about it, I'm just hoping for some advice on anything I can do to keep my characters from being banned forever.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to communicate and what I should say? Or is it just a wait and see thing?

Thanks,

Process

aChallenged1 · Post by **aChallenged1** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:51 am

The Fucking Manual wrote:MacroQuest2 is a third party program which reduces repetitiveness and enhances the functionality of EverQuest.

MacroQuest2 is as useful as you wish to make it. You can utilize it just for the capabilities of the map and other plugins, or you can further enhance EverQuest through the use of macros or designing your own plugin.

However, there are some issues you need to understand:

First and foremost, the use of MacroQuest2 is a violation of the EULA of EverQuest.

This means that if you do not use MacroQuest2 sensibly, you risk your character being suspended for a period of time, or in extreme cases, having your character permanently banned.

If you are not prepared for such circumstances, stop here and do not continue.

We should all know the risks, if we don't then we definately deserve to get screwed.

Maybe you could get out of it, but I highly doubt it.
Good luck.

Process · Post by **Process** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:59 am

Yeah. I knew the risks. I think I was fine until I had a run-in with someone that was angry with me for killing in what he considered his zone (BoT). I was sometimes killing some of the wing named before he did. He was used to timing them every 6 hours and farming them 24-7, 7 days a week. He said he knew a GM personally and would have me banned because he "knew I was must be using a macro program to control all those characters".

I ignored his threats and went on my merry way. 5 hours later I'm suspended. It's my suspicion that he did know a GM since I did nothing that was even remotely suspicious. I'm very discreet. I think in my case it was just bad luck and running into the wrong asshole farmer who had friends in high places.

However now that it's in the hands of the "eqaccountstatus" people, I'm wondering if there is anything I can say that will help my case.

Thanks again,

Process

Cr4zyb4rd · Post by **Cr4zyb4rd** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:35 pm

We have a hero or two like this on my server as well. People that cock-block specific spawns for days on end, and have been known griefers or all-around asshats since the beta days but seem to have GMs in their pocket. It's ok for them to rez-box train you and your friends to take over a camp, or to use whatever pet/FD/pathing/charm/wtf-expoit of the week to claim their loots to sell on PA, but god forbid they catch you running a macro or you'll have 3 GMs up your ass in 5 minutes.

We also have a couple "full-time" farmers who work their asses off, are profesional about it, and don't go out of their way to grief people or block the same spawn for too long. I'm just amazed that the few of the former type haven't managed to shut them down yet.