MacroQuest64

Ok dont know how good the source is but here goes.

I am poking around over at our bretherens fourms (ShowEQ, http://seq.sourceforge.net/forums/showt ... eadid=3736 ) and i come a cross an interesting quote regarding those new dialog boxes about gathering "information" about your system. I think this is a bunch of cow dung, cause not many have been cought, but here is something to think about.

They know who is using Macroquest and they know it without having to resort to dialog boxes asking permission (ref: http://www.arxan.com/index.shtml ) There is technology that doesn't have to snoop your system, only EQ's allocated memory space.

Just wondering about what ya think, cause i think that if they did know, there would be a lot more people complaining about not being able to log into accounts and such :)

Well post your ideas and we shall see what we come up with.

FUD.

They don't know who is running MQ. If they did, there would be a ton of messages here with all of us whining about being banned.

Thanks for clearing that up DKAA, I though the same way you did, just trying to make sure. :)

dont_know_at_all wrote:FUD.

They don't know who is running MQ. If they did, there would be a ton of messages here with all of us whining about being banned.

Or maybe they are just using us? Without us they wouldn't know how we a breaking their encrypting. and by they I mean the devs. but they could just be using us to up their hack prevention in EQ2... They need us and we need them...

But in all seriousness I doubt it

What i think is..

They do know.. but they just dont give a shit because it is not really cheating.. ok it is using a program to do what you are supposed to do manually but hey.. we're not duping things, we are not exploiting bugs, we are not macroiiiii.. errr.. nevermind the last one..

why am i thinking that you ask?! HA HA.. if some of you didnt see this (probably you did all see it) http://www.vigormortis.net/eq/bandose.php4 you can clearly see that the GM's have several witness about others macroing but they are not banning or suspend those people..

anyway.. i do think that they know.. but as long as we know that they know (i could really start an infinite loop here) then we can play dumb and try to make MQ almost invisible.. and how can we do this?!

BY NOT MACROING AFK.. sorry for the caps..

thats my 2 cents


Clone39

P.S.: I know some of you will say.. wtf is that guy.. only has 3 posts.. for that i have to answer.. i am an avid reader of MQ forums but only recently decided to try it and register.. so i kind of feel like part of the family.

Sorry for the long post, I am not posting much, but I am reading a lot.

Let me introduce myself : I have been using MQ for a long time, I have a good experience of it, I have my own MQ mod, and I wrote my own utilities based on it .

Well, if I may give my opinion about sony/verant awarness of who is using MQ, I allways had the feeling that GM's knew exactly what I was doing.

You know this feeling, just like when you're gently overtaking a policemen's car that is driving at the speed limit on the road...
Of course they know that you're past the speed limit, since you are overtaking them, and THEY are at the limit.. They close their eyes, pretending they don't see you, because you're doing it 'gently' and you don't abuse or act like an ass.

I think that GM are just like policemen : They don't want to put everybody in prison, because :
1) They need to have information about hacking possibilities.
2) They need to know how far people usually act with hacking tools.
3) They need to know what people want to have in EQ (maybe EQ2)
4) You represent money for them. This is a problem of balance : Put everyone in prison and who will pay for the prisonners' dinner ?

Look : most of the first trivial hacks have been implemented in EQ :
- EQ in a window (was considered cheating, because you could run second party programs, or analyse your logs while playing EQ..)
- Maps, with your position on it and a nice compass ! (long time ago, you had to use the 'sense heading' + locs and have printed maps on your desk or so)
- Much more information about skills (precise numbers instead of 'average', 'good', 'master'...), about experience (the blue bar...) HP, mana... (and with the new UI skins...) spells (description), equipment...
- For trackers, you can track better now
- They give much more precise information about the zones, new stuff they patch in the eqnews.txt....
etc... etc...

All these things have been an attempt to make EQ hacking 'useless',
or lets say that they were able to enhance EQ in the 'most wanted' way.
And without EQW, ShowEQ, Macroquest... Verant would probably have oriented the enhancement of EQ differently.

So, even if they know about you, as long as you don't piss them off, they will leave you alone.
Well, anyway, as long as you are not annoying other EQ users, as long as you're not modifying the way EQ works, and as long as you stay in the shadow, they will close their eyes I think. Why would they ban you if you act like this ? You're paying your account.

You'll be banned if someone whitnesses you acting weird and tells a GM. Because if they don't, the whitness would repeat that he saw a guy acting strange and GM close his eyes. Everquest's Forum would explode...

Well, you can think differently, that they don't know about us, or that they don't know who is using MQ, but I think they do, and I think they don't mind as long as you use it very discretely, and as long as you don't create a mess with it.

2 or 3 times, a GM walked near me, while I was using /who npc, and /face... I've been playing EQ for very long, if I didn't have MQ, I wouldn't play EQ anymore. If they ban me, it's ok.
And I really have the feeling that since they saw that I wasn't stealing anything from other people, or macroing for profit, they didn't mind.
EQ is an old game now, they know that most of people using MQ are just using it to keep having fun with EQ.

Anyway, just my 2 coppers.

I think I agree with Bilge here.

I believe that as a long MQ is used in a non-abusive way, there won't be any problems even if you get 'caught'.

The people that get banned are probably using MQ in ways that interfere with other people's game play, or are so obvious that it makes players wonder why they can't do some things that MQ can cause, for example: turning around while sitting. Some people get so wrapped up in why they can't do something that others can they feel compelled to question a GM about it.

Keep a low profile and I think that you won't have much to worry about really.

Well done Bilge. Good insight.

It strikes me funny that the new map system for in game maps is almost a direct rip off of SHOWEQ's map system. It also strikes me funny that in SWG there is a mapping system that is just like SHOWEQ as well as a macroing system something like MQ with out all the cheats built in.

AlphaBeta wrote:It strikes me funny that the new map system for in game maps is almost a direct rip off of SHOWEQ's map system. It also strikes me funny that in SWG there is a mapping system that is just like SHOWEQ as well as a macroing system something like MQ with out all the cheats built in.

Really? I am gonna have to take a look at SWG. The only problem I see is that SWG is forsale at $80 for the "special edition" box on the shelf right now. Thats a bit much if the gameplay sucks as bad as EQ does/has. (neon pink barbarian warriors still have me checking my "WTF" display)

I guess you haven't seen the pink neon Oger yet?!?!