MacroQuest64

totally clean reboot, load MQ, load EQ, load Keyring

go to my spot, type /macro xxxxx.mac, *hang*

60-70% of the time. And I mean like total computer hang as in all you can do is reboot.

win98 SE, 512 megs DDR, p4 2.4 gig, ABit IT7-MAX2 mobo

This is not a new problem, it just didn't frustrate me to the point of posting until now...

Why for running you 98se are when you have a sys like that? /boggle.


Kazaa/search/Windows XP Professional.iso/burn to disc/reboot.

Of course, some people like 98, but at this point I wouldn't recommend it to anyone w/ anything >= PIII....

I didn't want to try it at first, but I like it 20x more than I ever did 98, and 100x more than ME...

That's my 2cp, anyway...

~malachi

ever run a 3d benchmark of 98se vs. ANY later version of windows? :)

Well, that's dedication I suppose, lol. I have to give ya that.

I'm assuming you're not dumbing down your machine just for better framerates in EQ? I sure hope you're looking to max out your video performance on a game that actually uses it....

I assume if you've got that box, you've got at least a 64, hopefully a 128 or 256mb DDR video card in there, any of a bunch of new ones that have performace capabilities far beyond what any current game can utilize....unless you're running at like 1600x1200....

Whatever, lol. Happy gaming.

~malachi

On all the new 3d benchmarks xp pro beats the hell outta 98.

256 DDR videocard? Since when do they make those for gaming PCs? Or if i just havent noticed yet, wouldent they be atleast 1k $$ ?

XP is ass, it lags on a 4 gig P4 for christ sake. Dead giveaway.

Not to mention if you buy one of these famed computers from dell. Yeah they come with XP, their nice, 40 gig harddrive,....... that comes with 87 THOUSEND files on it. 98 uses like 3000 mabey and im sure that atleast 20k of those belong to XP and or its system recovery manager and its billion dumb help files and pretty pictures...

But really, running 98 SE you can play EQ with 70% of the performance on low quality stuff on a P2 333. If you really need a fast computer for playing 2-4 characters at the same time or turning graphics up to the obscenely ignorant level of quality that doesent run well on any computer, then your lacking inteligence using XP even if for the better graphic smoothing and stuff Professional?.. does while it takes two thirds your 512 of ram to run and look shinny.

xp has more overhead than 98 making it physically impossible for it to score higher on 3d benchmarks. If anyone says differently please post some links supporting your claim, but I installed both operating systems on this PC and saw a 2000 point hike in my 3dmark score just by going back to 98.

And yes, this is only a gaming computer, not my main box.

You guys are tooooo much, lol.

You'd think someone said something about your mom or something, hehe.

Here's the deal, and some people are gonna argue about it. I'm not mcse or a+ or whatever, the only thing I am is a certified system builder +, lol.

First off, 98se performs 0% better with any additional ram over 256Mb. It'll *use* it, but unless you fix your swap file or use a ramdisk, you seriously won't get any better performance.

Secondly, I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what game demands so much performance...the most impressive sprite display I've ever seen was Shogun, running on a PII 400 w/ a 16Mb Riva TNT, lol, and that was because Shogun has (to my knowledge still the record) for singular animations at one time, with somewhere around 2500 different characters all performing different things at the same time on the screen. It's pretty tight if you've never seen it...

Also, yes, there's 256 Mb ddr's out there, they're still expensive because no one's written a game yet that needs 128. Argue that if you will, go ahead. Games can't suck data off a UDMA 100 HDD fast enuf to utilize a 2.0GHz+ processor, 512 Mb of DDR (and is it 400 or 800?), and the nutzo chips that they're sticking on video cards these days, you'll only see the difference w/ a huge cache file, which would only serve to eat up your ram...

As for XP's overhead, try this: run services.msc and turn OFF anything you don't ever use. Then go into visual display performance and set it to "set for performance". It turns all the pretty stuff off and winds up looking like a KDE desktop. Additionally, 98se doesn't load and unload programs from memory very well, as we've all seen in BSOD's, so again, your nutzo ram is useless and no less likely to crash. Besides that, I'm pretty sure that 98se doesn't support anything faster than AGP 4x....so that's fun, and not to mention that card suppliers are already limiting support for 98.

And....as for your "4 Gig p4", lol, where did you get one? I mean, since Intel doesn't sell them....
I wish people would learn that right now the greatest limitation on the speed of a given person's laptop isn't the chip or the ram, it's the hard drive....a UDMA 100 is about 100x slower than the chip in my computer...it can't do jack w/ the data if it can't *get* the data.

As for stuff that comes on a computer, lol, there's this great function in the control panel called "Add/remove programs", try it--it's tight. 98se minimum install uses right around 350Mb. Additionally, if you're going for "performance" you're not going to have a 40 gig HD standing alone anyway, on 98 especially. You're going to partition it and stripe it across a RAID array (I mean, since we're going for speed here...) or at least partition it into <= 20Gb chunks, since 98se supports them but doesn't mount them correctly or report available space on them correctly....

Not to mention that anything DirectX over 8.0 is optimized for XP and MS wants you to upgrade, good luck having much success in the coming months with DX on 98...

For me, XP is a matter of stability. When I run my webserver or FTP, I use *nix, when I type or play games I use XP, since if I can get it to crash (hehe, its fun to try sometimes) it crashes the process and not the system.

This isn't meant as a flame, and it's more in response to mr. wolf than anyone else. In the future I would advise you to attempt to argue with facts and a point, and to avoid the paranoid assumption that someone is out to get you.

Use whatever OS you want to, and have fun doing it, I'm merely interested in the nitty gritty. OldNecro--you might really want to try turning off the eye candy on XP and trying it again, you might be surprized.

Here's a benchmark for you: I have a PIV 1.5 right now, and it's only got 256Mb od SDRAM. Oops, yeah. Anyway, encoding a DivX 5.1 movie at 100% original screen size, it only takes me about 5-10% longer than the length of the movie to encode the movie, and that's on 2-pass, using XP. The same attempt on 98, when it will stay stable, takes about 30-50% longer, and it's because of the way XP sends data to and from the chip. :)

Like I said, happy hunting. :)

~malachi

It's odd really, at home, I have a P4 2.4GHz with 1Gig of RAM, a nVidia GeForce 4 4600, oodles and oodles of disc space, and Win XP Home Ed;

In work I have a P4 2.2GHz with 1Gig of RAM, a nVidia GeForce 4 MX460, oodles and oodles of disc space, and Win XP Professional Ed.

Both on an ADSL connection.

Both work like a dream, no graphics lag in any zone except Bazaar, but for some reason, the work PC handles Multiple EQW 's about 5 times better than the home PC.. Zoning at home takes anything up to 45 seconds if I have more than one account running, but is the normal 10 seconds in either window at work...

Go figure..

get yourself some glasses, and you will see the period between the 2 and the 4 right before "gig" TWO POINT FOUR GIG.

if you want the biggest bank for the buck, when i installed a pr omise IDE raid controller, wiht 4 IDE UDMA 133 drivers.... was AMAZING how much better EQ and all my other apps ran *do video editing for work blah blah and can take work home with me now*

check out IDE RAID devices on teh web

Cheers
oh yes, and on topic i have noticed that mis placed } or a bad /if statement can cause my system to hang and i have to re boot by hitting the reset button...

OldNecro, I wasn't talking about your 2.4 gig.

Old Necro said:

win98 SE, 512 megs DDR, p4 2.4 gig, ABit IT7-MAX2 mobo

lifewolf said:

XP is ass, it lags on a 4 gig P4 for christ sake. Dead giveaway.

And I said....

This isn't meant as a flame, and it's more in response to mr. wolf than anyone else.

I feel like Ms. Swan on MAD TV--"...and then?"

And...heck yeah, striping a couple big IDE's across a RAID array is badass. Good luck finding cavernous UDMA 133 drives tho, 100 is much cheaper.

~malachi

o.

Strange... I removed #turbo from the beginning of my macro and the lockups have stopped... /shrug

I'll post again if they come back.

nevermind. just crashed to desktop again. /sigh