MacroQuest64

Playing EQ is a luxury. Piss off.

Considering donating, as it appears thats how to get the most support.

But, responses like this are very deterring.

MacroQuest appears very overwhelming from the outside. I do enjoy logic problems and have some basic programmin skills (go go Z80!~). I am a visual learner and there seems to be very little in the way of video guides.

What guides I have glimpsed over so far appear to be written by coders, and miss entry level enthusiasts.

This thread has caused some hesitation in donating. Before you rant about me, remember that its people like me who want to donate but are put off by this form of elitism and prejudice. You may find WE WANT to support the people who develop this software and scripts.

Anyway, off to do more research.

EDIT: Lax made Inner Space? Purchased a 3 month subscription last week, awesome app.

MacroQuest appears very overwhelming from the outside.

That's because EQ is. Do you melee? Do you use disciplines? Combat innates? Move around? AAs? Buffs? Nukes? Debuffs? Heals? All NPCs or a specific one? Do you med? Loot? Forage? Use a mount? Modrod? Pet? Writing a macro to do all that is not trivial... And that doesn't include other stuff like buying and sell in the bazaar, trade skills, buying AAs, or inventory management.

Most people write a small macro, join VIP to get better help, steal parts of others macros for their own, and then finally graduate to one of the general purpose macros, like modbot.

The modbot topic as 247 pages of people asking and answering questions.... just saying.

I do understand the complexity of the logic behind such scripting. I am commited to donating after my wife checks her cafe world (facebook, /sigh).

The reference material I have sourced, so far, is extensive and thorough; which although is beneficial to one who is either current or progressive, alas for a newb it results as a knowledge-based barrier to entry!

Little steps, padawan, little steps. When I first started EQ I did not forage, have AAs, or even cast spells!~ One reason why after so many years away I have returned to a progression server. My 5 years of EQ means very little on other servers.

I am not sure if the information I seek is out there, as I have only spent an hour or two reading the forums. The one thing that does appear to be a reoccuring theme is harsh flames towards newbs, and an elitist attitude against those who lack the skills to utilise the software. This is sad as I am sure the devs would make more money if the forums were a little more forgiving.

The first step is always the hardest.

ZergKing wrote:I am not sure if the information I seek is out there, as I have only spent an hour or two reading the forums. The one thing that does appear to be a reoccuring theme is harsh flames towards newbs, and an elitist attitude against those who lack the skills to utilise the software. This is sad as I am sure the devs would make more money if the forums were a little more forgiving.

I think you're mistaking MQ2 for a money making/commercial venture with commercial support and all of the work is done for you.

It isn't. It's a community driven project.

No, I am implying a larger community would reward the devs etc with more donations and incentives for the project. I understand there are costs to hosting sites and the like (though this may be subsidised by IS etc?).

From the outside the community can come across as abrassive. I am sure it has something to do with every new user asking the same questions and expecting solutions to be instantly presented with minimal effort applied by themselves.

Sorry, i am not trolling, will donate now Please don't read anything I said in a negative fashion. I am only trying to convery how it comes across by those outside the VIP ring.

Why should a dev put out effort for nothing in return? Pay the$15 get VIP and notice a plethora of knowledge at your fingertips. I have asked some of the stupidest questions in VIP and just given a stupid answer at the worst. At best they have given me what I was looking for and went on there way.

If your online and you get a shareware app that promises the world but not until you shell out the $30 to unlock its features. Do you get pissed off because the developer doesn't just give you everything they put so much of there own time into for nothing in return?

I agree. Heck, I donated before even downloading all the required apps etc... The way i view this model is you have a limited (only by the user) service, with full options available with minor donation.

Call it what you like, but it is in effect a two tiered pricing structure (free and donation). My observations was on the demotivating posts that "newbs" receive in the non-VIP arena.

I am not agruing or ranting on the current structure. I like the system in place, and will most likely further donate to specific devs if I find something I utilise.

It's only $10... not $15.

We cultivate the abrasiveness to some extent. In reality, MQ2 allows you to abuse EQ. OUr churlishness helps keep away the script kiddies and the idiots who would grief the crap out of the normal EQ population. If MQ2 is seen a major problem, SoE could shut us down without too much trouble.

ZergKing wrote:I am not sure if the information I seek is out there, as I have only spent an hour or two reading the forums. The one thing that does appear to be a reoccuring theme is harsh flames towards newbs, and an elitist attitude against those who lack the skills to utilise the software. This is sad as I am sure the devs would make more money if the forums were a little more forgiving.

The first step is always the hardest.

I like your name, with three mages it sounds like you want to be a zerger. You are not mistaken about your view of the reoccuring flames towards newbs, ignore the crap. I tried argueing with a few of the idiots on the forum years ago, but logic means nothing to them if you're new. There is much info that can be mined out of the forum history, but most problems can also be figured out by a little trial and error and reading the wiki. When you do figure out how something works, you would probably help some other newb by adding a little content to the forum or the wiki.

$15 seemed fair donation.

hah, I am not the mage guy. The Zerg reference comes from when a few of my friends all decided to have the surname 'Zerg' in protest against a few of our guild's raid strats.

D_k_i_A, that is a fairly good explanation. i can deal with that.

Regardless of all else said in this thread, I agree with ZergKing regarding the abrasive attitude. I would have been happy even with something like a link to resources, ones which were at least remotely specific to my issue (as opposed to pages of syntax that tell me little). At is stands I can't find anything on this forum of a similar nature, and I'm sure half the people who've commented know exactly how to do what I wanted but have not said anything.

As it stands, had I had the money to donate I most certainly would not have after the smug elitists showed up.

And in any-case, I am playing on EQEmu, not Live, thus your ridiculous policy to 'scare of script kiddies' is redundant in my situation anyway. This was also the reason I did not care about my character name being posted, though I didn't say so at the time since I don't know what your policy regarding that is. At this stage I couldn't careless, since I've given up on getting any help here.

EQEmu isn't supported, even in VIP. You giving up and going away is more of a win for this community than for you.

Vire wrote:I am playing on EQEmu, not Live

This is a very important bit of info which should have been in your original post and would have saved us all a lot of time.