Macroquest tips for sale? How interesting [Updated!]
Moderator: MacroQuest Developers
Oh, my!
ROFLMFAO!I'm completely sick of people selling free shit for cash, those kind of self-serving jackasses deserve to be shot.
Oh, the irony of complaining about the ethics of people selling the hard work they basically didn't do when that very hard work's main purpose is to cheat and allow players to reap the benefits of things that they didn't (can't) actually do!
What? Are you expecting some kind of honor among thieves or something?
Macroquest is used to cheat, plain and simple. That cheating in small and sometimes large ways hurts other EQ players who don't cheat. If you're going to use it, at least have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge the ethical ramifications of what you're doing.
Salutations,
somegoob: If you wish to flame, I would suggest you go somewhere else. Now that I've set a good example: I don't care what type of person you are, but if a thief is a good theif, there are things people want from him and things he wants from others. There is honor among theives and it's called respect. True there are little smurfs like you you come in with your bannerless stick held high as if you are the master of the univers swinging around a sword as if its going to do something against ghosts. These people end up like a fish who went so deep the fish drowned, floating to the bottom slowly, fins waving as it suffocates slowly and falls deeper into the darkness.
somegoob: If you wish to flame, I would suggest you go somewhere else. Now that I've set a good example: I don't care what type of person you are, but if a thief is a good theif, there are things people want from him and things he wants from others. There is honor among theives and it's called respect. True there are little smurfs like you you come in with your bannerless stick held high as if you are the master of the univers swinging around a sword as if its going to do something against ghosts. These people end up like a fish who went so deep the fish drowned, floating to the bottom slowly, fins waving as it suffocates slowly and falls deeper into the darkness.
"Oh the irony blah blah"
The IRONY? Oh wow, and here you come to a macroquest board to say nothing but that macroquest is cheating. Hmmm.... think about that one for a sec... what would I be called if I stopped by the Ferrari forums to say nothing except that Dodge Vipers > all, or that Ferrari's really suck and are for losers... then what would people call me?
The answer is Troll, Board Troll. That's the most degrading title we have for moronic posters who post for no other reason then adolescent(sp) attention.
But you know how to spell, so you have a higher IQ then your age it seems, therefore I will respond to the post itself.
"Are you expecting some kind of honor among thieves or something?"
Would a pickpocket and a cutthroat be both known as thieves? There's a big difference between gaining a slight advantage in a video game, making things a bit easier, and selling a free program you didn't make or contribute anything at all to for money, depriving the real author possible donations.
If you can't see that difference you need your head checked.
"MQ is used to cheat.... [MacroQuest] hurts other EQ players who don't cheat"
Oh really? PvP I can understand how it would hinder other players, but on a blue server, EQ is oftentimes a TEAM game, you work with other players to take down COMPUTERIZED opponents. Therefore, having a team member/guild member with a slight advantage is a BONUS. Now if you are trying to beat another guild to a rare, yes, I can see the disadvantage a 'straight' player could possibly have, but then again, with MacroQuest, it's a very slight disadvantage. I mean, it's a macroing program, it's not ShowEQ. If you want to bitch at cheaters, look the way of the offset hackers who can /zone and cast on boats and use a few GM commands and run faster then should be possible. But instead you attack a Macroing community. Probably looking for an easy target or a scapegoat because you can't level as fast or make as much money or whatever as others. Reminds me of the Counter-Strike people that accuse everyone who kills em of cheating. Yes there are cheaters, are they the majority? NO and they never will be.
"....have the ... honesty to acknowledge the ethical ramifications of what you're doing."
I am honest and hold no dilusions, I know MQ can give an advantage over other players, I've used that advantage a few times myself. I can tell you though, it's a VERY SLIGHT advantage. Even smaller when compared to alot of the other ways to cheat in EQ out there. I hardly see how this compares to someone making REAL LIFE money off of another person's hard work and effort. There's a HUGE FLUCKING DIFFERENCE and if you can't see that, I may have to reasses your IQ.
To recap, how again is scamming people for real life money by selling something you didn't make but someone else did for free, even come close to comparing to a video game macroing program giving players a slight advantage over COMPUTERIZED opponents?
/sigh
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The IRONY? Oh wow, and here you come to a macroquest board to say nothing but that macroquest is cheating. Hmmm.... think about that one for a sec... what would I be called if I stopped by the Ferrari forums to say nothing except that Dodge Vipers > all, or that Ferrari's really suck and are for losers... then what would people call me?
The answer is Troll, Board Troll. That's the most degrading title we have for moronic posters who post for no other reason then adolescent(sp) attention.
But you know how to spell, so you have a higher IQ then your age it seems, therefore I will respond to the post itself.
"Are you expecting some kind of honor among thieves or something?"
Would a pickpocket and a cutthroat be both known as thieves? There's a big difference between gaining a slight advantage in a video game, making things a bit easier, and selling a free program you didn't make or contribute anything at all to for money, depriving the real author possible donations.
If you can't see that difference you need your head checked.
"MQ is used to cheat.... [MacroQuest] hurts other EQ players who don't cheat"
Oh really? PvP I can understand how it would hinder other players, but on a blue server, EQ is oftentimes a TEAM game, you work with other players to take down COMPUTERIZED opponents. Therefore, having a team member/guild member with a slight advantage is a BONUS. Now if you are trying to beat another guild to a rare, yes, I can see the disadvantage a 'straight' player could possibly have, but then again, with MacroQuest, it's a very slight disadvantage. I mean, it's a macroing program, it's not ShowEQ. If you want to bitch at cheaters, look the way of the offset hackers who can /zone and cast on boats and use a few GM commands and run faster then should be possible. But instead you attack a Macroing community. Probably looking for an easy target or a scapegoat because you can't level as fast or make as much money or whatever as others. Reminds me of the Counter-Strike people that accuse everyone who kills em of cheating. Yes there are cheaters, are they the majority? NO and they never will be.
"....have the ... honesty to acknowledge the ethical ramifications of what you're doing."
I am honest and hold no dilusions, I know MQ can give an advantage over other players, I've used that advantage a few times myself. I can tell you though, it's a VERY SLIGHT advantage. Even smaller when compared to alot of the other ways to cheat in EQ out there. I hardly see how this compares to someone making REAL LIFE money off of another person's hard work and effort. There's a HUGE FLUCKING DIFFERENCE and if you can't see that, I may have to reasses your IQ.
To recap, how again is scamming people for real life money by selling something you didn't make but someone else did for free, even come close to comparing to a video game macroing program giving players a slight advantage over COMPUTERIZED opponents?
/sigh
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In memory of [b][color=darkblue]MasTerKeyZ[/b][/color].
I didn't flame anyone. I simply pointed out that it's ironic to disparage the ethics of others when your ethics are so very similar. No need to get defensive. There's a lot of cheerleading here on this board. Can't it tolerate dissenting opinions stated in a calm and reasoned manner?If you wish to flame, I would suggest you go somewhere else.
Umm... maybe so. What does that prove, though?I don't care what type of person you are, but if a thief is a good theif, there are things people want from him and things he wants from others.
Respect? Respect for the players of the game who put in hundreds of hours building up their loot and cash within the rules of the game, only to see the economy they work in damaged by people farming millions of plat with macros? Was that the kind of respect we were talking about here? Or is the only respect worthy of mention here the respect for the hard work of this particular community and its efforts?There is honor among theives and it's called respect.
Heh, now see, that's a flame! :) Are you going to follow your own suggestion and go "somewhere else" now? I mean, your whole post was completely devoid of any kind of cohesive argument whatsoever, and after enjoining me to avoid flaming, you start with the name calling.True there are little smurfs like you
Care to try again? Seriously: How do you disparage the motives and ethics of others when they're only taking advantage of this community in a relatively similar way that this community takes advantage of others?
I'm truly curious to see if this community can put together some solid arguments on the subject.
"I'm truly curious to see if this community can put together some solid arguments on the subject."
Oh really? Then why didn't you respond to mine? Did you just not hit the refresh button for half an hour?
"Heh, now see, that's a flame"
...You are a troll. Maybe not a smurf but definately a troll. That's not a flame it's a fact, because you are the epitome of the definition of "troll". See my Dodge Viper analogy.
Besides, taking the smurf quote out of context is dumb. Agreed the "...like you..." was an insult, but the entire sentance, smurf hit included, was meant as a metaphor.
*yawn* I'm not going to reply to you until you reply to my first reply. Ouch, what a mouthfull. Say that 10 times fast.
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Oh really? Then why didn't you respond to mine? Did you just not hit the refresh button for half an hour?
"Heh, now see, that's a flame"
...You are a troll. Maybe not a smurf but definately a troll. That's not a flame it's a fact, because you are the epitome of the definition of "troll". See my Dodge Viper analogy.
Besides, taking the smurf quote out of context is dumb. Agreed the "...like you..." was an insult, but the entire sentance, smurf hit included, was meant as a metaphor.
*yawn* I'm not going to reply to you until you reply to my first reply. Ouch, what a mouthfull. Say that 10 times fast.
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In memory of [b][color=darkblue]MasTerKeyZ[/b][/color].
Actually, I came here to learn what "macroquest" is, since I've seen it referenced on more and more boards as a "solution" to certain problems. While reading, and deciding if I'd want to use it, I noticed this thread disparaging the ethics of people who profit at the expense of the creators of MQ, thus cheating them. It seemed rather ironic, since this software is really just for cheating, so I pointed it out.The IRONY? Oh wow, and here you come to a macroquest board to say nothing but that macroquest is cheating.
Complete mischaracterization of what I said. The worst I did was to point out that using MQ is cheating, and to equate that cheating with the same level of cheating that happens when people profit off of the MQ programmers' work. I didn't say that anyone sucks or is a loser. If you feel that using a program to cheat, that makes you a cheater. If you feel that it makes you suck and a loser, that's a connection you drew yourself.or that Ferrari's really suck and are for losers
I guess I don't need to really comment on all of the ad hominem that you posted. Do you honestly feel that they help your case? Let's see if you had any more actual arguments...
Umm... yeah...There's a big difference between gaining a slight advantage in a video game
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So, users of this program (or others like it) make thousands of players on their servers work thousands of extra hours to buy things because the economy is damaged, and you think that all that's happening is that MQ users are getting a slight advantage?
Besides, let's say we're not talking about the really big abusers. Let's say we're just talking about the minor abuses. Let's say we're talking about a rare drop that warriors need from a wandering mob. For most warriors, this might be a difficult task, tracking that sucker down. Sure, some will get friends with tracking to help them, but many will just search on their own for it. What happens when more and more warriors are using MQ to track the mobs? What happens when SOE notices that too many warriors have obtained the quest item? Well, they nerf the spawn rate, of course. I mean, come on. This is simple logic: Every advantage you create for yourself becomes a disadvantage of others who don't use it. It's not a zero sum game, necessarily, but you can't just ignore the consequences of artificial advantages here and there without partaking in a degree of intellectual dishonesty.
You espouse using a program that lets you cheat at a game, and you're casting aspersions on my motives... okay.Probably looking for an easy target or a scapegoat because you can't level as fast or make as much money or whatever as others.
Well yeah, and moving your pieces around during a game of Battleship can give you an advantage over other players as well. It's called "cheating", of course, but if you want to call it "an advantage", I guess you can.I know MQ can give an advantage over other players,
Oh, it's all about hard work and effort. I spend my hard work and effort on my hobby of playing EverQuest. If you come along and wreck the economy on my server with your macros, or make the game even the slightest bit more difficult for me because game designers have to compensate for your unfair "advantages" (umm, cheating), then you're abusing my hard work and effort. When you add in the fact that I do contract programming work on the side, so extra EQ time equates to money out of my pocket. So whose money is more important here? The creators of a cheat program, or the person who is playing by the rules?I hardly see how this compares to someone making REAL LIFE money off of another person's hard work and effort.
Well, I think I've shown how it's not just computerized opponents that you're hurting by using MQ. After that, you have to ask the question: "Is it any worse for others to waste the hard work and effort of the programmers of MQ than it is for the programmers of MQ to waste the hard work, money, and effort of people who play EQ."To recap, how again is scamming people for real life money by selling something you didn't make but someone else did for free, even come close to comparing to a video game macroing program giving players a slight advantage over COMPUTERIZED opponents?
Actually, while medding, I'm posting these replies. Makes them take a little longer.Oh really? Then why didn't you respond to mine? Did you just not hit the refresh button for half an hour?
"Troll" is really one of those relative terms. Some people think that trolls are people who only post flames in order to get a reaction. Others think that trolls are any people who post a disagreement of the prevailing (or just their) opinions. I think that you're using the latter definition, but I don't doubt you think you're using the former one....You are a troll
Arguments based upon semantics are really boring. Arguments based upon bad analogies are flawed and need to be rethought entirely. Referencing it across two posts doesn't help your arguments any.Maybe not a smurf but definately a troll. That's not a flame it's a fact, because you are the epitome of the definition of "troll". See my Dodge Viper analogy.
The "smurf" part had nothing to do with the rest of the comment. It was an obvious insult tacked onto the beginning. How was "smurf" transformed by the rest of the statement into NOT being an insult? I mean, really. Now you're trying to defend obvious insults? Can we stick to the original argument of how MQ kind of cheating is any superior (or not even cheating) to cheating the MQ programmers out of money?Besides, taking the smurf quote out of context is dumb. Agreed the "...like you..." was an insult, but the entire sentance, smurf hit included, was meant as a metaphor.
I'd respond but it takes me awhile to come up with halfway decent counter-arguement, and I have shit to do today. Later tonight or tomorrow I'll respond though, since your third post, the response to my main response (!!!), was actually very well thought out and articulate.
Better then the expected "Cheaters are gay, you cheat, your gay" type arguements I've almost gotten used to.
In short, very nicely done. Omit a few of the obvious flames and you have probably one of the best arguements against one of my opinions that I've ever seen.
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Better then the expected "Cheaters are gay, you cheat, your gay" type arguements I've almost gotten used to.
In short, very nicely done. Omit a few of the obvious flames and you have probably one of the best arguements against one of my opinions that I've ever seen.
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In memory of [b][color=darkblue]MasTerKeyZ[/b][/color].
No rush. I'm more than busy leveling up my baby necro... maybe I should get a macro, heh.Later tonight or tomorrow I'll respond though
Bleah... flames shmames. After having my IQ called into question, can't I at least indulge in a little sarcasm? :)Omit a few of the obvious flames
Seriously, though, I don't really get into the mud slinging on a conscious level. If my statements sound like mud slinging, I didn't intend for them to be, and you have my sincerest apologies.
And now you found out. If you don't agree with the ethics of it, then leave. But you will NOT sit here and troll this board as long as I can help it. You've made your point, move on or leave, or be removed, no skin off my back either way.Actually, I came here to learn what "macroquest" was...
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personally...i can understand if someone was inclined to sell a guide that is a step-by-step account of how to use macroquest and not the information posted here...not that i would do it, but if one thought about it...that would be the way to make money, after all...look at all the ignoramuses(sp) that post here stating the dont know what to do or how to get macroquest to work...interesting...
Depends on what you mean by that statement. Agree that selling copies of the software by people who didn't contribute is all that different from cheating at a game that other people spend long time and effort with? Nah, I don't agree with that.If you don't agree with the ethics of it, then leave.
That said, I might use it anyway. It's a neat concept, and the programmer in me just loves the idea of scripting actions in EQ, just to see how well I can do it. One thing I won't do is be dishonest with myself about how my use of this software might affect others. If someone comes along and says "You're cheating!" I won't rationalize it away, I'll just say, "Yes, I am. I try to minimize the impact it may have on other players, but I won't deny that it is cheating, or try to downplay it."
Jeez. I disagree with the general consensus on one issue in a manner that I challenge you to show how I did so in a "trolling" manner, and it's all flames.But you will NOT sit here and troll this board as long as I can help it.
More irony in this thread. Here we are, at sourceforge.net, the biggest supporter of the open source movement, a movement that references "free speech" as one of its cornerstone, and I'm being threatened with banning because I disagreed with a popular board opinion.You've made your point, move on or leave, or be removed
I'm not here to cause trouble, but I'm also not going to be a total sheep just because you threaten to not let me play any of your reindeer games when I don't agree with you. As long as there's some type of dialogue going on with this issue, I'm inclined to post my own reasoning regarding the way I feel about it. If the only way you know how to handle contrary opinions and reasoning is to flame and ban, then you do what you have to do.