Please stop releasing MQ

delmader · Post by **delmader** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 11:27 am

Way too many newbies using it now. I mean look at the page views you're getting now.

Someone suggested earlier to code in a delay that makes tradeskilling slower on the release version (If people got the proper knowledge they can just change it back in the source and compile their own copy)

Another suggestion would be Plazmic regulating users by having some kind of login server, but I guess that would be to much work for him (Possibly subscription based or onetime fee to set up an account).

motd2k · Post by **motd2k** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 11:32 am

*ponders if Delmader was once a newbie too.....

delmader · Post by **delmader** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 11:35 am

I'm talking about the people that come here purely to leech tradeskill macros.

cyberglitch · Post by **cyberglitch** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 11:51 am

Ok, I normaly wouldn't do this but I have to speak up on this one.

You know it's always funny how people say stop realsing it after they have it and know how to find offsets. It's like ok I have it now stop letting others use it to I can have it to myself. Gimme a break.

delmader · Post by **delmader** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 11:52 am

That's not it at all, I would fully support Plazmic if he decided to stop releasing it after the next patch that majorly broke MacroQuest (ie. finding new offsets won't fix it)

TheColonel · Post by **TheColonel** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 1:02 pm

Let 'em leech tradeskillz!!! They'll get banned, is only matter of time!

drastic ape · Post by **drastic ape** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 1:18 pm

Well, I wouldn't mind having this program all for my very own, but that wouldn't really be right. I really don't deserve it anymore than anyone else. People are abusing the crap out of it unfortunately, and hopefully, in the end it will be the abusers that pay the consequences.
Charging a fee or whatever wouldn't keep out the leechers, if money is the only object it's easily overcome. Making a secret "club" or whatever is just sorta goofy, sounds like something they'd want to do at HQ's boards.
The people that are dumb/unlucky will be caught and have to face the music, the rest will hopefully be able to use MQ in peace again...
Just be responsible with MQ and play it smart until things quiet down. Donate if you have the means.

This announcement paid for by a grant from The Friends of MacroQuest...

AMadMonk · Post by **AMadMonk** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 1:25 pm

Evolution, my dear friends, evolution.

The stupid will always end up weeding themselves out of the gene pool. And despite what some may think, there's no feasible way that VI could completely 100% forever block MQ (short of running EVERYTHING server-side).

But uh yeah, they ARE spying on you and if you get caught, they'll find your mains and ban them too.

*snicker*

Apex · Post by **Apex** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 8:01 pm

Maybe put in some kind of effort-barrier, as they did for seq (making it linux-only, wouldn't work for MQ of course). The problem with compiling your own version is that VSnet is not exactly cheap.

About the subscription thing.....wouldn't work, there are just as many idiots with money out there as they are without.

Maybe require that people write some simple macro that would be useful to everyone or find one set of offsets (given some kind of guide on how to do it) on a patchday before giving them access, dunno, just a couple of ideas that came to mind, just stopping the release wouldn't do the trick, not everyone that found MQ just now is using it for blatant money scripts.

Java · Post by **Java** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 8:39 pm

delmader wrote:I'm talking about the people that come here purely to leech tradeskill macros.

Reason i read the manual. I make my own macros. I post nothing of code to the board, save a line or 2 here and there.

MQ is popular. Thats ok. But when the Macro Depot is emty, then guess what? No more leeches for macros.

In other words, im not feeding the Flames for Macros.
Not feeding the flames for offset finding either.

I come here to read about MQ as a whole now. Only leeching i do is for ideas. Then i run away and make my own.

If all the people would do that here, then in my humble opinion, all the recent "noobs" will have to learn it by themselves, and luckily that means those new people leeching won't get banned for AFK macros, instead they will appreciate the macro they made, and will know it's limitations enough to SIT THERE WITH IT.

Problem solved. Next ?

rizwank · Post by **rizwank** » Sat Oct 26, 2002 5:50 am

Ok.

Damn you all. If you fucking searched youd know that we've discussed this... delmader you were a newb once im sure. especially with three whole posts, I doubt that you have been much of an asset to the MQ community. If Plazmic had stopped releasing when I found MQ back in May, it would have been your loss cause you didnt have it. Sounds like you are trying to protect your own tradeskill stuff.

We have HQ macroers but we deal. Lamers, and we deal. Im vicious on the IRC channel for swatting those that act like idiots.

I have my own opinion as to how accessable MQ should be, but I was voted down, and now I think about it, Plaz was right.

MQ will not be harder to find. Offsets will not be nuked from the boards, and are being found by the people that were once newbs (therefore the onus isnt on Plaz or the other devs to find em every patch... ) . There will not be a source only version. With the perl addition MQ is a lot more powerful. Whether VI could or would nerf MQ as a whole is a different thing. If/when that happens, we deal with it then.

Im sorry but unless you say something intelligent or prove that you have contributed in even some small way, I wouldnt respond to this post... Open for comments.

player001 · Post by **player001** » Sun Oct 27, 2002 12:37 pm

Although it might not be too popular with others you could make the MQ pages be membership required like eqmaps and eqprices... It usually helps to somewhat limit the amout of people that use the boards/program and it helps support the developers/hosters.

astemus · Post by **astemus** » Sun Oct 27, 2002 1:16 pm

Yah... If you smurf hut building searched youd know that... Damn skippy...

Really though, I don't use macroquest for macros... Just like i never used eqmacros for macros, just those pimp maps. I don't contribute to the project, but i don't think that more n00bs sitting around that one npc to abuse a tradeskill loophole is really going to bring MQ down. Sounds more like you're just some spoiled rich kid who always gets what you want, and you want to run your cheeze mac without fear of getting one of your 3 accounts banned. Do us all a favor and leave the holier than thou crap off the forums. Noone wants to read your shit.

And membership your stuff, and it'll become like eqmaps... noone goes there. And you'll just become like the company you're all sneaking around.

TheColonel · Post by **TheColonel** » Sun Oct 27, 2002 4:02 pm

MQ is great... there's no reason to stop releasing it. Most of the "high plat" macros never get out in the open... and if the do I'm sure the mods here will get rid of them, or the guide there will... either way, posting something and saying you use it is like asking Verant to "fix" it. But that's just my humble opinion...

rizwank · Post by **rizwank** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 2:26 am

:) nicely said.

subscription service will never happen. it isnt that kinda site and sourceforge hosts it.

however, feel free to donate to plaz! :)

Please stop releasing MQ

Please stop releasing MQ

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