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Post by Lax » Fri May 21, 2004 4:04 pm

Pot, meet Kettle....
I am 100% serious with that anecdote, the linux geeks I have run into have been as described above. Theyre the ones that go into a store with a "new" 486 motherboard that they got on ebay that doesnt work, and want it replaced with one that will. :shock:

This wasnt an opinion, this was factual information.. so.. your pot vs kettle cant apply there. You're welcome to apply it where I was stating an opinion, rather than observations of people that I have run into.

They both have their uses, which is why you wont argue with Lax, Oid, because that was Lax's point. ;)
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Post by Oid » Fri May 21, 2004 6:25 pm

I drive nails with screw drivers.
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Post by Mimatas » Fri May 21, 2004 6:58 pm

/derail
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Post by Oid » Fri May 21, 2004 7:07 pm

I club baby seals....

and post whore.
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Post by Otterboyy » Sat May 22, 2004 3:45 am

Ya'll are just flippen wacked. I knew I liked it here for a reason.

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Crying "lLike what you see, Then hire me" Not.

Post by Biff » Sat May 22, 2004 12:08 pm

You know, one thing that sticks in my mind Lax is a post you made on the main page. Some thing about like what you see hire me. This has nothing to do with linux,MQ,or windows. If I were a employer and seen the way to address people here on this forum, I would not hire you if you were the last programer on the earth. I speak for many. You do great work but you realy need to learn how to treat all people with respect. Jobless ? I wonder why ? I have been holding my toung for some time now. Watching you tear down people to bring them to your level. I dont care how you respond to this as I know you will show your age and your ass thinking your impressing the masses. Your not impressing shit ! Grow the fuck up ! Then Maybe , just maybe some one will see you have changed and hire your lame ass.

Nuff said !
Not meant as an attack just a kind hint ! :idea:

Biff

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Post by Pheph » Sat May 22, 2004 12:33 pm

I am immensly(sp?) impressed by the way Lax deals with the countless retards on these boards. As Amadeus pointed out; take a look at the changelog and you'll see who's _really_ keeping MQ afloat these days. You guessed it: Lax. No offence to the other devs, MQ wouldn't be where it is today without you, but the truth still is that Lax has done some amazing things for the project.

Oh, and did I mention that he doesn't even play EQ?

"not meant as an attack just a kind hint" my ass. Don't fucking formulate it as such then. You're basically implying that he's out of work because how he responds to the millionth repetition of the same stupid question on a board seemingly inhabited by 90% 12-year old retards that is probably gonna fuck up and give the project more attention than it needs.

Truth of the matter is, cussing is all the random 3-post noob gets.

As for mentioning it in this thread you really come off as a POS, attacking him (oh, forgot it wasn't an attack) because he's not interested in porting MQ to Linux? The code is there, do it yourself, yadayada, etc.

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Post by Spanky_Monkey » Sat May 22, 2004 12:41 pm

My linux box will kick your linux boxes ASS..


My Linux box is so much cooler than your windoews box cause I don't know how to use it! And it has a penguin!!

I use <insert uber_neverheardof_distro_name> cause I am leet!


direct all coments to /dev/null


sorry, couldn't resist.. hehehe... Personally I enjoy both OS'es, they have their strength and weaknesses just like anything else.

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Re: Crying "lLike what you see, Then hire me" Not.

Post by Oid » Sat May 22, 2004 12:56 pm

Biff wrote:You know, one thing that sticks in my mind Lax is a post you made on the main page. Some thing about like what you see hire me. This has nothing to do with linux,MQ,or windows. If I were a employer and seen the way to address people here on this forum, I would not hire you if you were the last programer on the earth. I speak for many. You do great work but you realy need to learn how to treat all people with respect. Jobless ? I wonder why ? I have been holding my toung for some time now. Watching you tear down people to bring them to your level. I dont care how you respond to this as I know you will show your age and your ass thinking your impressing the masses. Your not impressing shit ! Grow the fuck up ! Then Maybe , just maybe some one will see you have changed and hire your lame ass.

Nuff said !
Not meant as an attack just a kind hint ! :idea:

Biff


You sir... can fuck off and die.

How can i put this in simple terms. People ... in their life.. interact in different situations.

I do not act the same way around my mother, as I do around my friends. You do not talk shit about women while having dinner with your wife, but you might while watching the game with the guys.

Here? We are not co-workers. We are not Lax's employer. We are his peers. He is not obligated to treat us in a profesional, or even respectful manner. Bitching about how he behaves, in regards to a program that he does a fuck load of work for, and gets a lot of fucking cunt rags like you bitching about his every move, inspires him to not work on that fucking program. So do us all a favor, and stab your self in the eye.
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Post by magictiger » Sat May 22, 2004 2:01 pm

If you're going to hire a programmer based on how he acts rather than skill, you're wasting everyone's time. Just go get yourself a pair of cement shoes and end it all now and let someone who knows how to select and manage programmers take care of things.

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Post by iluvseq » Sat May 22, 2004 2:15 pm

Magictiger: That might have been an ok attitude during the dot-com bubble days around the turn of the century, but these days, businesses have learned that they don't have to put up with rock-star attitude, big ego, programmers to find skilled workers.

The programmers who succeed today know how to behave themselves in a professional manner, and know how to program well.

Yes, I am a programmer by trade, and yes, I have a job. I also dress "business casual" (slacks, button up shirt, no tie) and treat my co-workers with respect and professional courtesy, even when they are "clueless users" who are asking me the same stupid question for the 100000th time.

Oh, and for Lax, yes, I am a Linux geek . I am not a "linux zelot" however, I believe in using the appropriate tool for the job. But no, I don't have hair to my ass or halitosis.

Long gone are the days where programmers could act like spoiled rich kids and still get jobs. There are more programmers than there are positions to be filled, so companies can pick and chose, and guess what? They WILL chose those who show they know how to work and play well with others.

I'm not saying Lax isn't perfectly capable of being a respectful and mature co-worker. As one person mentioned, how he acts in "real life" may be completely different from how he acts on these forums. However, posting a "hire me!" on this forum will lead him to be judged by how he acts HERE. Trust me, it's not likely to generate much in the way of employment offers. At least, not for programmers. I think Tony Soprano might be looking for another ball breaker though.... :)

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Post by Pigeon » Sat May 22, 2004 3:36 pm

What the hell?

Sorry I offended your sensibilities Lax. I won't dare state my preferences about shit that really doesn't matter in your presense again.

crapload of memory claim- I'm saying running two instances of EQ from the same directory would save a crapload of memory, because you don't need to load all the textures into memory twice. Not that running linux saves a crapload of memory. Please learn to read posts for their content, not just searching for "I r better than u!" before responding.

Just keep in mind one thing- all I said was Linux has vastly superior filehandling and isn't that fucking complicated, and I'll stick by those claims. I'm not swathing through this thread proclaiming Linux is the God of All That is Holy and Good. I'm not a linux-zealot running around saying "micro$oft winblows" is only good for stupid people who can't tell the difference between a CPU and their ass. I seriously just don't care. If you really want to start a flamewar about x vs y, then go troll on slashdot. In addition to being humorously stupid, you're likely to actually get good points about why linux is a better desktop than windows, which I seriously just don't care enough about to type in a forum. I have better things to do than argue about the size of my penis.

Have a good day.

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Post by Wink- » Sat May 22, 2004 5:15 pm

I would hire lax in a second if I was in charge. I am tired of pussy ass drones who are afraid to migrate from the norm and get shit done. I work to get shit done and I don't care if I hurt co_worker_003's feelings because she still uses lotus notes. People at work are so damned sensitive and if they worried more about doing work then all the other hoopla around the office the world would be a better place. I use both windows and Linux for my desktops but I use the windows machine more because if you can't figure out how to do something in Linux it takes 30 mins to learn it, but if you do it in windows it takes 30 seconds.

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Post by Programmer » Sat May 22, 2004 8:26 pm

I'm not passing any judgement about Lax's treatment towards people, and I certainly agree that as humans, we all react according to the situation as well as the circumstances, and when we're not in a professional environment, we are less likely to act professional (and in this sort of environment, more likely to vent), and that in no way defines who we are.

As for the software engineering market though, in 2004, it's true that attitude is extremely important. Four years ago, any decent developer could say to their boss "fuck off and die", and in the worst case, nothing would happen, in the best case, you'd be fired on Friday and have a better paying job on Monday. Developers were that scarce.

Fast forward to 2004 though, thousands of startups have disappeared, leaving many more developers jobless. Even larger numbers of students have emerged from whatever institution will give them a sheepskin. The job market is flooded with software/computer engineers. Getting a job in today's market is damned hard.

Its true that employers have concerns about developer attitude today. They are not shooting themselves in the foot, they know that there are so many well qualified developers out there that they can afford to be picky. What's worse, there seems to be exactly two kinds of companys hiring engineers - those that want the very senior people, and those that want the "fresh outs" (recently graduated). Middle-carear developers are getting fucked in todays market because they either do not have enough experience, or have too much. Many employers want someone inexperienced because if the individual is able to learn, the experience comes easy. Shaping someone's attidude and professional habits is difficult the older one is, but fresh outs are quite mallable, thus making them prime pickings for the larger companies that can afford the ramp-up time in development abilities.

Summarizing, the job market absolutely sucks for developers today. I say this in part because I was unemployed ::cough:: an independant consultant for two years when my last company went under. Having 17 years experience developing prior to that made things difficult for me; if I didn't have the -exact- experience people were looking for, they kept looking. (What, you've written code for pagers? Sorry, we're developing mobile phones.) Finally I did find something that is a perfect fit. I hope Lax finds his perfect fit soon as well (even though it will come to the detriment of the MQ community :twisted: ).

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Post by s16z » Sun May 23, 2004 4:46 am

Lax wrote:you dont make console games right now for the SNES because you wont make money.
Fuck, there goes my whole business model.