Its ignorant how abusinve mods are on this board when you post something they dont want to hear. Even simply the fact that one will tell you to STFU because they have NO CLUE what the post is even about shows maturity. Changing my previous post to 'I suck' was true quality in moderating by my opinion.
According to Wes, your halfop on #macroquest, he was the first one to come to the realization that you could make a lot of plat with MQ in steamfont using the tinkered cams / bows. This is now nurfed so you dont have to ban me for posting it.
He made up a macro for doing it and profited about 9 MILLION plat as the story HE told me goes. He also gave a copy to Plaz. Also according to him, Plaz sold a copy of this macro to someone unnamed for $500 and gave him 0 of it.
Also he has confided in me that his truthful opinion about Plaz is not too bright. He believes, and has apparently seen, that Plaz values money atleast a bit more than trust, and has confided that your MQ lead dev only plays a helpful person on the boards and in chat when he really doesent care at all for anyones best interest over his own.
But ofcourse noone will believe me again and lock this post and ban me without even wondering what happened so much as knowing. Im sure Wes just pulled this out of his ass and lied to me for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
As far as breaking forum rules? flaming? I doubt anything I said was rude beyond a MODERATOR telling me to STFU when he knows absolutely nothing about what I'm saying but rather just wants to abuse authority. That atleast falls under the category of 'adminstrative trolling' if not flaming. I also didnt flame you l124rd as you imply in 'us'.
Secondly *I* dont believe I'm talking behind Plaz's back. This is HIS FORUM and website. He has every right and ability if he chooses to read my post and tell his side of the story and comment etcetera if he cares. If he chooses just to dump this project and not come back, then I guess he wont read it and it will be behind his back.
But really. Do you want me to send him a registered email/letter about everything I say about him when its already neatly organized into a public forum that he wont even bother to read?
Thirdy there is no such thing as proof. I have a reasonably told story that was confided (second use, still no spelling) in me without any intent of gain or reason to mislead.. In other words.. 95 percent of the time people dont out their ass and lie just because they can, and I dont think Wes did.
I dont really know about the fourth. I can see how screwing someone (in the authors words) over a pp macro sale is atleast some proof of ability of ill intention. I can see how it can contribute to Plaz dumping MQ cause noone is donating anymore and its not worth the work. If you can't then I don't know..
Fifth, I didnt even want to bother you l12. Its by far obvious that your in a bad mood because I know you act better than this daily. I really just hope you dont take any of this personally because your the most activly nice and reasonable person here.
As for banning me because of posting this.. ?
Go for it. If it would make you feel better to ban me cause i said something mean about Plaz that more than I believe is true.. Or because i take it offensivly to be told to STFU like I have no brain and am your whore to abuse at your whim. Or if it would make your ego bigger (which I wont get into, cry) ...
Because I really dont care anymore. I feel that I'v contributed enough in helping people to deserve my stay. I feel that nothing I said is more unreasonable than purely administrative 1337ness asshole syndrome. I also dont feel that im making any baseless claims to intentionally hurt or defame anyone reguardless of the truth doing so.
But to be more serious. I'm completely sick of every fuc.king moderator on every forum applying the rules only to posters. If your going to make rules then for fuc.ks sake abide by them too. I believe that the second any mod looses the ability to give common courtesy to a poster in their reply that the should step down from their 'moderator' position and STFU themselves.
Further goodbye, i guess, everyone. I hope you learn something from my posts and help and seemingly more importantly about the attitude of your moderators ...
My last post
Moderator: MacroQuest Developers
Its all about adding value.
Plaz helps program MQ
Tux helps out with MQ
They are around to discuss it, come up with new ideas, etc. They do this because they are NICE people - not because it is their full time job. And here you come and try and flame them for something or another?
Get the fuck off your high horse and get the fuck out of here. You add no value and will not be missed.
Plaz helps program MQ
Tux helps out with MQ
They are around to discuss it, come up with new ideas, etc. They do this because they are NICE people - not because it is their full time job. And here you come and try and flame them for something or another?
Get the fuck off your high horse and get the fuck out of here. You add no value and will not be missed.
To be honest
I see no reason for your post other than you are upset that the /click thing was not fix or some shit like that. All I really have to say is WHO cares. Who cares who made what doing what selling something to whom? Big fing whoop. I would GLADLY pay for a working version of macro quest. That other program does not do what I need. Either that or I don’t know what I’m doing. That is very possible.
In closing if you don’t like it here leave. I say that to you and all other LIBS. I’m sick of whining and bitching about stupid sh*t. I swear attitudes like that must be french heheh. Ok I’m done.....
Thanks
Shocks
In closing if you don’t like it here leave. I say that to you and all other LIBS. I’m sick of whining and bitching about stupid sh*t. I swear attitudes like that must be french heheh. Ok I’m done.....
Thanks
Shocks
I just wanted to chime in and say so what? If paz (or anyone else for that matter) comes out with a closed source Macroquest in a few months guess what.... I would buy it. Its a hell of a tool. And if I could get a working plat macro from him for $500 bucks I might even do that too depending not the pp per hour. I would NEVER EVER AFK macro!!!! People that do it should be kicked from the game and this in part has lead us to what we have today a broken MQ.
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Sorry to burst your theories LW, but the cam macro wasn't as big of a secret as some people thought it was, after exactly a day. I heard about it from someone watching the EQ economy report and notincing a giant spike, then investigating it.
Other then that, I have no comment on if plaz was an evil bastard or not, but I do know $500 isn't crap for what half of the people who were in the know about those macs (even before 2 cam came out) made per DAY, much less as a one time deal.
Though, I do have to agree some of the "modding" done (and by this I don't mean Liz, because he rocks pretty much all the time) has been rather...spiteful.
Skull Ale 4 l1f3
Other then that, I have no comment on if plaz was an evil bastard or not, but I do know $500 isn't crap for what half of the people who were in the know about those macs (even before 2 cam came out) made per DAY, much less as a one time deal.
Though, I do have to agree some of the "modding" done (and by this I don't mean Liz, because he rocks pretty much all the time) has been rather...spiteful.
Skull Ale 4 l1f3
I just want to say, I dont have any particular opinions about rather Plazmic is out to make money or not, although I suspect if he is that he made a pretty bad mistake in releasing macroquest to the public in the first place since it has been the single most significant downfall for ways to make plat in the short time its been around.
I do think that lifewolf has a right to express his opinion though, and that moderators telling him to STFU is somewhat immature.
I do think that lifewolf has a right to express his opinion though, and that moderators telling him to STFU is somewhat immature.
I'm sorry but there is NO NEED to drag the entire board in on this. If you have a problem you best duke it out in IRC or PMs... No need to drag the whole board into it because no matter what they will take the develepors side. I dont know the story and honestly don't care to, I never knew plaz and never really will anyways so I don't know who's telling tales and not. But this subject is indeed not sutible for the public boards.
otis -- I stopped arguing with people that tell me to <..> off because they dont like what I'm saying. If you consider what Tux did a free service then thats fine. I consider general abuseive rudeness due to ego problems a dis-service myself.
Shocks -- I didnt say Plaz owes/owed me anything or mean to imply it. I used MQ for basicly /who and /face and didnt even use the NewUI untill a week after it was forcefully implimented on me (quit for a week there in spite of EQ) and really dont care if /click is ever fixed. My origional post was for you guys to let you know what happened in the least painful way possible.
I'm mad, now, that moderators in general on messageboards can be total assholes when they want to with total disreguard for the rules that they bash you for breaking.
Alpha -- Plaz is one of the guys that stands up (in less than full force, but still) against plat macros. For him to have sold one off and contributed, minorly, to the plat macro idea boom was a bit hypocritical. Sure its his project, and he can do whatever he wants, but it still not right for him to tell us off on plat macro's when he is just as guilty as anyone else who contributed to that 'taboo' topic.
kaz -- I dont know if you heard me or not, but I said that same thing on IRC. He could have pocketed how many millions spliting out between servers but didnt. Could have been that he's still an ok guy or that he screwed up.
YKW- -- I disagree on the topic matter part. This is MQ, or whats left of it, and Plaz has been the hot topic for a month now.. If people can post that they love him and are donating and awaiting his return then why is it not right to post the opposite if its in the same moderatly good taste?
As far as draging the whole board in, why not? This Tux guy is a moderator for you too. Theres no saying that if he just outright bans me that it wont be you next for stating your opinion or telling your story. Either way it effects everyone indirectly atleast. Also if i PM Tux do you really think he would give me a friendly, helpful, and appropriate reply? ...
Shocks -- I didnt say Plaz owes/owed me anything or mean to imply it. I used MQ for basicly /who and /face and didnt even use the NewUI untill a week after it was forcefully implimented on me (quit for a week there in spite of EQ) and really dont care if /click is ever fixed. My origional post was for you guys to let you know what happened in the least painful way possible.
I'm mad, now, that moderators in general on messageboards can be total assholes when they want to with total disreguard for the rules that they bash you for breaking.
Alpha -- Plaz is one of the guys that stands up (in less than full force, but still) against plat macros. For him to have sold one off and contributed, minorly, to the plat macro idea boom was a bit hypocritical. Sure its his project, and he can do whatever he wants, but it still not right for him to tell us off on plat macro's when he is just as guilty as anyone else who contributed to that 'taboo' topic.
kaz -- I dont know if you heard me or not, but I said that same thing on IRC. He could have pocketed how many millions spliting out between servers but didnt. Could have been that he's still an ok guy or that he screwed up.
YKW- -- I disagree on the topic matter part. This is MQ, or whats left of it, and Plaz has been the hot topic for a month now.. If people can post that they love him and are donating and awaiting his return then why is it not right to post the opposite if its in the same moderatly good taste?
As far as draging the whole board in, why not? This Tux guy is a moderator for you too. Theres no saying that if he just outright bans me that it wont be you next for stating your opinion or telling your story. Either way it effects everyone indirectly atleast. Also if i PM Tux do you really think he would give me a friendly, helpful, and appropriate reply? ...
Hahaha.
I check this board so much because it's a never ending source of giggles for me.
I think I've mentioned before that I work with children, and as such I think that I've gained a significant amount of insight into the way and the reasons why they do what they do.
With that said, I'll write something we discussed at a seminar I attended recently. (Yes, this is on topic, bear with me.) When children are disruptive or trying to cause problems, they do it for one very simple reason. That reason, is to fulfill a need. Whether it's physical (hunger, etc.), emotional (they just need attention), physiological (disabilty related), or cultural (this one is deep...), they act out to fulfill a need. This opens the floodgates for a whole entire argument, but in most cases it's emotional. The word "need" is open for debate, they *think* they need it.
Anyway, back to my topic, they act out because they know they'll get attention. The trick to getting them to behave is two fold: one, to remove the desired (on their part) stimulus from the punishment/response, and two, to introduce an alternative that is both positive and that fulfills the desired need.
So, now I shall draw a parallel that will look like a flame.
Remember back in school, there was that one kid who would always tell whatever gossip he heard, or he's just randomly throw his pencil across the room, or intentionally misspell all the words on his spelling test, or just randomly throw temper tantrums when something didn't go the way he wanted? Pretty much, they might have just as well been screaming "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!!!".
This is what lifewolf is doing, lol, it's a textbook example, haha. It makes me laugh.
The difference now is that he's not in grade or middle school, and so therefore I don't care the take the time from my day to deal with his social misadjustment, nor do I think the rest of us care to watch him pull on the clips of his over-hauls as he looks from face to face for some sort of recognition of the dirty words and mess he's causing on our message board.
Lifewolf, this is my message to you: You said that was your last post. I don't necessarily want you to leave, but I want you to understand that not one single person on this board cares if you make threats about gracing us with your presence. If I were to say "I hate the world, sod off, MQ can go to hell", no one would write a log sobbing post asking me to stay, and I think I've been a largely useful member around here. Get it? Either shaddup and play nice like the rest of us, or leave like you've threatened to.
You are not going to raise the ire of Tux or L12 or anyone else as much as you think you are. You were not threatened with banning because you pissed Tux off so bad--he, like the rest of us has more important things to do that soil his undies over some inflammatory post on his message board. You were threatened because no one wants to waste CPU cycles and brain rhythms listening to you rant on about something. Mostly, we want you to shut up, and banning is the most effecient means of making you.
Now, with that said, I'd like to personally invite you to stay around and contribute to the community and be friendly and helpful. If you can't, or if you can't fathom that we're really not going to be heartbroken if you do decide to split, then hasta luego! I'm sorry you're leaving under bad terms, but such is the way some people decide to live their lives.
So, again, actually *make* your last post and move on with your life, or drop it and consider yourself a bigger person because you were able to move on with your life and MQ before you made any more of a complete ass out of yourself.
Lastly, just remember that you're not making anyone mad. We're laughing *at* you, not with you, and we don't really care what vendettas you carry against whom. That's your business, for you. If you want to gossip, go to the hair dresser and leave our boards alone.
Thanks for your time, sorry for the rambling post. I hope what I have said represents the community as well as I think it does.
~malachi
P.S. I just finished a day of research for my thesis titled "Perceptions of social conditions preceeding and following German Reunification, 1989-2000". That might be part of the reason I'm not too patient tonight, but then again, I'm rarely patient for drama queens.
I think I've mentioned before that I work with children, and as such I think that I've gained a significant amount of insight into the way and the reasons why they do what they do.
With that said, I'll write something we discussed at a seminar I attended recently. (Yes, this is on topic, bear with me.) When children are disruptive or trying to cause problems, they do it for one very simple reason. That reason, is to fulfill a need. Whether it's physical (hunger, etc.), emotional (they just need attention), physiological (disabilty related), or cultural (this one is deep...), they act out to fulfill a need. This opens the floodgates for a whole entire argument, but in most cases it's emotional. The word "need" is open for debate, they *think* they need it.
Anyway, back to my topic, they act out because they know they'll get attention. The trick to getting them to behave is two fold: one, to remove the desired (on their part) stimulus from the punishment/response, and two, to introduce an alternative that is both positive and that fulfills the desired need.
So, now I shall draw a parallel that will look like a flame.
Remember back in school, there was that one kid who would always tell whatever gossip he heard, or he's just randomly throw his pencil across the room, or intentionally misspell all the words on his spelling test, or just randomly throw temper tantrums when something didn't go the way he wanted? Pretty much, they might have just as well been screaming "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!!!".
This is what lifewolf is doing, lol, it's a textbook example, haha. It makes me laugh.
The difference now is that he's not in grade or middle school, and so therefore I don't care the take the time from my day to deal with his social misadjustment, nor do I think the rest of us care to watch him pull on the clips of his over-hauls as he looks from face to face for some sort of recognition of the dirty words and mess he's causing on our message board.
Lifewolf, this is my message to you: You said that was your last post. I don't necessarily want you to leave, but I want you to understand that not one single person on this board cares if you make threats about gracing us with your presence. If I were to say "I hate the world, sod off, MQ can go to hell", no one would write a log sobbing post asking me to stay, and I think I've been a largely useful member around here. Get it? Either shaddup and play nice like the rest of us, or leave like you've threatened to.
You are not going to raise the ire of Tux or L12 or anyone else as much as you think you are. You were not threatened with banning because you pissed Tux off so bad--he, like the rest of us has more important things to do that soil his undies over some inflammatory post on his message board. You were threatened because no one wants to waste CPU cycles and brain rhythms listening to you rant on about something. Mostly, we want you to shut up, and banning is the most effecient means of making you.
Now, with that said, I'd like to personally invite you to stay around and contribute to the community and be friendly and helpful. If you can't, or if you can't fathom that we're really not going to be heartbroken if you do decide to split, then hasta luego! I'm sorry you're leaving under bad terms, but such is the way some people decide to live their lives.
So, again, actually *make* your last post and move on with your life, or drop it and consider yourself a bigger person because you were able to move on with your life and MQ before you made any more of a complete ass out of yourself.
Lastly, just remember that you're not making anyone mad. We're laughing *at* you, not with you, and we don't really care what vendettas you carry against whom. That's your business, for you. If you want to gossip, go to the hair dresser and leave our boards alone.
Thanks for your time, sorry for the rambling post. I hope what I have said represents the community as well as I think it does.
~malachi
P.S. I just finished a day of research for my thesis titled "Perceptions of social conditions preceeding and following German Reunification, 1989-2000". That might be part of the reason I'm not too patient tonight, but then again, I'm rarely patient for drama queens.
~Oh danny boy, the pipes the pipes are calling.~
I think we need a vertical height limit for any off normal species posting. Something like you need to be atleast 3 feet tall and not smell like chicken *eyes duck* to be allowed to post..
But you think I crave attention? Hrm... Nah thats not possible. Us wolves have the largest sheeth to body ratio of any mamal.. I dont know what that would translate to in duck or penguin terms, but most humans that fall under that category dont seem to have these insecurity problems..
A L124RD is taller than a duck and penguin too, isnt it?
But you think I crave attention? Hrm... Nah thats not possible. Us wolves have the largest sheeth to body ratio of any mamal.. I dont know what that would translate to in duck or penguin terms, but most humans that fall under that category dont seem to have these insecurity problems..
A L124RD is taller than a duck and penguin too, isnt it?
Hehe.
Hehe.
I do like extra mayo though. And banana peppers.
Hehe.
~malachi
I dunno about anyone else, but I prefer my mamal's without sheeth....sheeth to body ratio of any mamal
I do like extra mayo though. And banana peppers.
Hehe.
~malachi
~Oh danny boy, the pipes the pipes are calling.~
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insanitywiz
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Re: Hehe.
I'm going to have sheething nightmares for days nowMalachi wrote:Hehe.
I dunno about anyone else, but I prefer my mamal's without sheeth.
lifewolf : actually you'll find that many of the people who seemed so adamant against any discussion of plat macroing were actually doing it and making money off it. the reason they forbid discussion was so no new people would catch on and learn about it then leak it or get things nerfed.
but seriously rather plaz underhandedly sold someones macro for $500 or not, really not a big deal in the scope of things, there are people who troll these boards and hang out in irc who have made anywhere from $50,000 to $100,000 or more in the past 12 months using macroquest and the reality is that plaz kept updating long after he probably realized he could probably make alot more money if he didnt share the program.
so if plaz finally realized he'd be much better off not sharing mq, or just lost interest in it, or is a being held against his will in a foriegn country really doesnt matter cause he gave more to the community than he ever had to or was in his best interest to do. the program is completley open source and anyone is free to come along and try to carry the torch onward if plaz never returns.
as for all the people flameing lifewolf, try making intelligent posts and discussing things in a rational matter if you disagree with someone. whats the point of having a PUBLIC message board if people arent allowed to freely express their opinions (as long they keep it civil).
but seriously rather plaz underhandedly sold someones macro for $500 or not, really not a big deal in the scope of things, there are people who troll these boards and hang out in irc who have made anywhere from $50,000 to $100,000 or more in the past 12 months using macroquest and the reality is that plaz kept updating long after he probably realized he could probably make alot more money if he didnt share the program.
so if plaz finally realized he'd be much better off not sharing mq, or just lost interest in it, or is a being held against his will in a foriegn country really doesnt matter cause he gave more to the community than he ever had to or was in his best interest to do. the program is completley open source and anyone is free to come along and try to carry the torch onward if plaz never returns.
as for all the people flameing lifewolf, try making intelligent posts and discussing things in a rational matter if you disagree with someone. whats the point of having a PUBLIC message board if people arent allowed to freely express their opinions (as long they keep it civil).