Has this happened to you?

Valerian · Post by **Valerian** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:50 am

I believe the name you have it report is tied to the filename it actually saves on the servers.. e.g. /report Iliketomacro would save a file on the servers named "Iliketomacro" with the last 10 lines from all your open chat windows.

Amadeus · Post by **Amadeus** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:13 pm

What were you doing? Ask them for proof. God I hope they process scan.

I'm sure Sony isn't crazy enough to tell you why they're going to ban you (especially if they broke privacy laws to do it).

All the they have to do is ban you because they want to :) ...no reason or justification needed.

lifewolf · Post by **lifewolf** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 11:20 am

Kess wrote:Fippy, I was under the impression that when you did a /report, it just recorded the last 10 lines considering the person you reported? Does it also include yours as well?

/report is a petition that sends a 'screenshot' of your chat log. It may or may not get more lines than what show up or count to be 10.

lifewolf · Post by **lifewolf** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 11:27 am

Valerian wrote:I believe the name you have it report is tied to the filename it actually saves on the servers.. e.g. /report Iliketomacro would save a file on the servers named "Iliketomacro" with the last 10 lines from all your open chat windows.

hrm like /report /\/\\/\/\\\\\\////\/\\/\\/\/\/\\\\

Wonder what that would do =)

zirnek · Post by **zirnek** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 1:53 pm

This is the format of the /report I recieved for my ban.

Date: Fri xxx x xxxx 2002 Server: xxxx

Player: xxxx

Player Guild: xxxx

[xx Skeleton Monk] xxxx (10.91 NNW)
[xx Dark Elf Wizard] xxxx <xxx> *RP* (3171.07 WSW)
There are 6 players listed in Great Divide.
Gobn says 'Sorry, Master..calming down.'
Gobn tells you, 'Attacking a coldain wolfmaster Master.'
You told xxxx, 'lol'
Your faction standing with Coldain could not possibly get any worse.
Your faction standing with Dain Frostreaver IV could not possibly get any worse.
Your faction standing with Kromzek could not possibly get any better.
Your faction standing with Kromrif got better.

Date/names/etc edited out for specific reasons.[/quote]

hardarac · Post by **hardarac** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:39 am

Several months ago I was banned for a similar "offence"

To this day I have not been given either proof or a refund. Ihad just renewed my annual subs for the 3rd year.

I lost 5 chars and 3 yrs work.
Am I bitter

YES

SO(B)E are a moraly corrupt organisation who do not care about the individual.

The idea that they can ban you just cos they want to without reason or justification is in some contries illegal and needs someone to test in court. SO(B)E are selling a service allbeit a game and when you pay for a service a contract is made.
Due to the stupidity of the lawmakers in some US states who care little for individuals rights and more for the "rights" of corporate America.
They seem to believe that sticking an "usage or license agreement" at the start of the game saying in effect you have no rights, and not allowing the game to start until you agree to it means that they are permitted to break the contractual obligations they entered in to with the individual when the contract was first made (ie account purchased).
The sad part is that as an individual the chance of taking SO(B)E on in a ciourt of law would be close to non existant

That said
I now have 2 more accounts with the same "owners" details and they are running ok
Conclusion
If you get caught you are unlucky
If you get another account there is no greater chance of being caught.
I do not believe the "tracking" systems for "cheaters" is that inteligent.

aussiedruid · Post by **aussiedruid** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 9:59 am

I dont understand why your bitter, you know the risks associated with MQ, you accept them by running the software and then have the hide to turn around an say its SOE's fault ?

Everyone running MQ takes this risk each and everytime, we are doing the wrong thing in thier opinion and therefore have the right to ban us, you freely admit to using it and know its the reason you got banned, why does SOE need to confirm this for you ?

Its cheating, its an unfair advantage to those that dont use it, you seem to of got it into your head your totally entitled to use MQ with no consequence.. bzzt wrong, you wernt bitter while it was getting those tradeskills up for you, so dont be bitter now that you have been caught.

I use MQ, and imo, it is cheating, doesnt stop me from using it, i think what people need to ask themselves before using it is that, if i am caught, can i deal with being banned and then decide accordingly

Dont want to get caught ? Dont talk about MQ, first rule of MQ club, nobody talks about MQ club, dont use macros found on here with specific vendors mentioned, learn how write an alter macros, find your own spots out of the way, dont use skill up macros found here to stand at one vendor and combine the same thing for 3hrs,vary what your using to combine and period of time, dont ever go afk, everyone stresses this, i dont think anyone who gets caught listens and suffers the hard way, dont use money making macros that are related to tradeskills that sell back for profit.. use your brain, go find a small area of mobs that drop 5-10pp with quick respawn, write your own macro to clear this area, eq is a massive world now there are MANY places noone visits to make money at a reduced risk.

And.. dont be over confident, your not god with MQ

Amadeus · Post by **Amadeus** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:03 pm

The idea that they can ban you just cos they want to without reason or justification is in some contries illegal and needs someone to test in court. SO(B)E are selling a service allbeit a game and when you pay for a service a contract is made.
Due to the stupidity of the lawmakers in some US states who care little for individuals rights and more for the "rights" of corporate America.

You're obviously dreaming here. Playing this game is no different than walking into someone's place of business. Now, in America, we have certain things that you cannot be discriminated against; however, there is no law that forbids someone from not doing business with you because they don't like you. You want Congress to make a law that states that all business MUST do business with all consumers whether they want to or not?

You have NO RIGHTS to play this game. Sony could shut down EQ tomorrow, and there's nothing anyone could do about it. They make the rules.

Why can't people understand this? Moreover, YOU'RE CHEATING! You're using MQ and you got caught. How many times do people have to state on these forums that you shouldn't use MQ unless you're willing to take the consequences?

It's not like it's a big secret. Sony warned you that if you used MQ you'd get banned. You ignored it, and now you're upset that you got banned and somehow want to make it their fault. /boggle

hardarac · Post by **hardarac** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:22 pm

You have NO RIGHTS to play this game. Sony could shut down EQ tomorrow, and there's nothing anyone could do about it. They make the rules.

Ah well you see there is the difference between the US and the enlightened world.

We are customers...
We pay for the use of the service that is EQ.
The action of us paying and SO(B)E accepting payment is a contract.
SO(BE)cannot withdraw that service without either repaying the contracted amount less admin charges. They kow that that is contract law....
The problem is that no individual would be able to afford to take corporate America to court to prove it ... AND THEY KNOW THAT.

My issue is not with being caught ...
My issue is that SO(B)E wont provide proof the alledged offense .
Nor will they enter in to disscussion about it.

That coupled with the withdrawl of a contracted service I consider wrong ... and I await a lottery win to contest it with them

Amadeus · Post by **Amadeus** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:16 pm

Ah well you see there is the difference between the US and the enlightened world.

We are customers...
We pay for the use of the service that is EQ.

Yes, you pay for the service that is EQ as long as they're willing to provide you the service. You seem to think that you have a right to play the game or have the service as long as you pay -- that's not the case, nor does it make any sense.

A good analogy would be you walking into a business that says at the door: "NO SHOES, NO SHIRT -- NO SERVICE" with nothing on but your briefs and expecting them to serve you dinner. Sony makes the rules because it's their business -- they can kick you out at any point because it's their treehouse.

If you ran a business, would you want the consumers to dictate how you run it and/or who you MUST serve whether you wish to or not? Or, for there to be laws that dictated such things?

When did Americans start believing that they have a right to everything as long as they pay for it? I'm an American myself, and I've noticed this trend of thought over the past few years in young people especially. Heck, we even have people that believe they have a right to MacroQuest and rights to complain about MacroQuest and that's something they're not even paying for. This is why the rest of the world considers Americans "spoiled brats".

hardarac · Post by **hardarac** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 6:52 pm

Last post on this

You are missing the point

If I turn up at a shop with a sign on the door as you state in my briefs then sure u are right i dont get served. That is fair.

But I have bought in to the "contract" with EQ. They have my money and the contract has been agreed.

If they terminate it then they are liable to refund or return unused "subscriptions".

I do have a right o play the game as long as I have paid ... that is PRECISELY WHAT I PAID FOR.... the right to play the game. That was the contract XXX dollars/pounds/yen/whatever for a stipulated time period.

I pay my money to SO(B)E and they contect to provide a service.

A good analogy would be .... I go to Amtrak or a trans continental coach Company and buy a ticket to travel from New York to Vancoover.
For some reason the trains or buses are not allowed to cross the border, The travel company are still obligated to provide onward travel so they charter a Canadian bus or train to complete the journey.

By your way of thinking Amtrak or whoever would just leave you at the border.

I think NOT

Anyways ... Nuff said on this ....

aussiedruid · Post by **aussiedruid** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:20 am

Your analogy is flawed, but lets make it worse

Say that same train, everyone else purchased a ticket, as did you, but lets say you decided half way through the trip to get blind drunk, an they kick you off it because your blind drunk an broke their rules an they have a service to provide to other customers

In closing, your gay

ap50 · Post by **ap50** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 4:49 am

But I have bought in to the "contract" with EQ. They have my money and the contract has been agreed.

Yes, but you're the contract breaker, not them... The End User License Agreement you acknowledge time you play click "I ACCEPT" to play EverQuest is your acceptance of their rules of conduct, and as clearly states in section 9 of the EverQuest EULA

9. You may not use any third party software to modify the Software to change Game play. You may not use our intellectual property rights contained in the Game or the Software to create or provide any other means through which the Game may be played by others, as through server emulators. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure. You may not sell or auction any EverQuest characters, items, coin or copyrighted material.

You are accepting that using 3rd Party Programs to change Game play is considered by the people you're in contract with to be wrong.

By choosing to forego that clause and running MacroQuest for ANY REASON at all, you are breaking your agreement with them, and as such have no come back when they choose to nail your ass to the wall.

Ariain · Post by **Ariain** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 4:57 am

In closing, your gay

Lol

Fippy · Post by **Fippy** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:18 am

Well i am gonna jump into thos one and I do agree with hardaracs point of view a little. If you are banned for MQ (rightly so if you get caught) then you should at least be allowed to see the proof. The fact that you know you were cheating means SoE are justified in banning you but they should still have to prove that you were cheating to justify not refunding any outstanding subscription. Innocent until proven guilty is the basis of most countries laws and this is the same. Just beacause they say you were cheating doesnt mean its true. There are situation where you could do things in EQ that look like your using MQ but in fact your arent.

GM: How come you have that XXX mob targeted but its on the other side of the zone to you.
Player: I was camped over there but I have not cleared my target yet after i moved.

GM: Who come you have the norrath spire targeted
Player: I was foraging and dropping it on the floor when the trade window poped up so I cancelled it.

Now I am not saying its not fair if you get banned, of course it is you were cheating, but I dont believe its fair to be banned and recieve no refund without ANY reason or proof given. The fact that they probably DO have the proof but cant be bothered to find it just demonstarteds SOE's poor customer service.

Heres something that happened to me once that illustrates proof is important.

I was driving along the M6 through Birmingham (UK) at about 2AM one night. I was travelling at about 85MPH which is 15MPH over the speed limit. The Motorway was pretty empty. I got pulled over by the traffic police and issued a ticket. Now I know I was speeding but the motorway was empty and I was not endangering anybodies life so I thought it was a little unjustified. I decided to go to court against all advice given but before my court date I got a letter saying the charges had been dropped. Now I was a little confused but I just happened to know somebody in the traffic police so I asked them what might have happened. He told me that quite often the videotape that is taken with the proof that you are speeding on it gets re-used. It is supposed to be kept as evidence for any possible court hearing but since very few people ever bother to go to court and just pay the fine it is often forgotten. That is proably what happened to me, No Tape, No Case.

So was I speeding, YES, was I harming anybody NO, did they have proof, NO, was I guilty, NO.