er, as a ubar wizard, (8k+ manapool, crits for 8k...), Who Cares? :-) And for the record, if the tanks don't suck, I can start dealing out those 8K crits when a raid mob has hit 98pct health and keep clicking them out until I'm out of mana or the mob is dead. It's all TANK dependant. Wizards are BUR...